Yesterday was interesting. The TVNZ website had two articles on the emails on Tuesday, but then around 20 minutes later they could not be found. then there was an article about a massive iceberg 50KMs off the coast of Stuart Island – presumably “due to AGW”. Then someone jumped in a helicopter and flew over to find it wasn’t an iceberg, just an underwater reef which wasn’t going anywhere. The Dr who raised the alarm said something along the lines of “sorry ’bout that”.

Why are these stunts always pulled on the outset of a major CC conference? Don’t reply, it’s a rhetorical question.

I never bought into the AGW debate in the first place. And yes, I suffered from social leprosy on a couple of occasions as a result. It would take much more than a former us president to convince me. So now, I am watching the sparks fly with a lot of amusement.

I am, however, concerned about the consequences of this with Joe Public, You know, the bloke down the street who saw an inconvenient truth, got scared for his kids and then saw journailsts, celebrities and politicians tell them repeatedly that AGW was fact and that there was no dispute within the scientific community. And to have mainstream media treat people with any hint of doubt about AGW to be castigated as crackpots.

And now, he’s discovering the IPCC is a political Institution and the people conducting the dirty handed tricks aren’t the oil companies, no, they’re crackpot “scientists” who fudge and delete their data.

So in the space of a year, Joe public has lost faith in their Super fund manager, their bankers and now the scientific community. I guess the next one is losing faith in who they elected – uh ohhh, now we’re getting into really political waters.

I’ll shut up now.

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“Little” is an understatement.

LOL! Yes, I was just a little Humble there! Thanks for explaining “touches” at the bottom of your response. I know, if you imply the wrong thing, People judge very quickly unforunately. I figured that’s what you meant!

Still, I wonder whether any climate sceptics out there have any words of comfort for warmers at this time?

Brendan, I have seen some symphathy towards the Alarmists but mostly the “other side”.

Well, that touches*** me, Denny. I think I’ll stay around for a while.

Well Brendan, I say this because you “are” welcome and because you with curiosity came here one way or another to satisfy this curious nature within you..you saw something that wasn’t “right”! I too saw this and it didn’t take long to find out because of the Internet. I’ve commited to a Web Site as most People here know or are finding out. I take time towards “New Members”. Just check the “Chat Box” and you will see me stating “congrats to” someone who just signed up..You have to go to “show all Posts” to see. I think it’s respect towards a person and have you ever entered a room that you had to be in and knew no one?? It’s kinda lonely until someone breaks the ice..Of course, I don’t congrat them all but if I catch it, I do..But doing this helps. You can tell after their first posting..

I’ve talked to Joanne in my personal email and sensed a good person..Some people have this gift. Most don’t. Mine is 99.9% effective..I try not to “prejudge” anyone. It’s just a sense, a feeling! It’s hard to describe.

* Given the potential for communication misunderstandings in this electronic medium, I wonder whether internet and email users should adopt a system of footnotes to clarify the meaning of possibly ambiguous words and phrases. For example, I use the phrase above, “taking advantage” in a strictly utilitarian sense, without any overtones of exploitation or illicit usage.

Brendan, you can do this regularly when you make a statement. You have to be organized and research the subject. I for one give a statement and when someone challenges it, THEN I find my info…I ALWAYS make sure I have the info before hitting the “Submit Comment”. If I don’t or can’t find it, I state such and apologize! The big problem is “time”. I think and I think others here agree, if we did research and post at the same time, we would get nothing done in Our Lives. Creating files in your Field of Interest always helps. I use Microsoft Word. I’m learning it all the time..

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“Little” is an understatement. Fact is, I need some balm to heal the pain, and as luck would have it, CRU has provided just such a medicine:

http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/homepagenews/CRUupdate

I’m now seriously thinking about climbing off the fence and taking advantage* of the balm offered by people for whom I once had deep feelings of trust, and may well cultivate** again.

In comparison, sceptic websites are offering a world of hurt. This is very distressing, although oddly enough, it’s nothing they haven’t said before. Still, I wonder whether any climate sceptics out there have any words of comfort for warmers at this time? Some of us sure could use them.

“Brendan, we are here for you, and you are MOST Welcome!!!!”

Well, that touches*** me, Denny. I think I’ll stay around for a while.

* Given the potential for communication misunderstandings in this electronic medium, I wonder whether internet and email users should adopt a system of footnotes to clarify the meaning of possibly ambiguous words and phrases. For example, I use the phrase above, “taking advantage” in a strictly utilitarian sense, without any overtones of exploitation or illicit usage.

** I use the term “cultivate” in the cultural, non-scientific sense.

*** When I say “touches”, my meaning is, of course, strictly metaphorical.

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Perhaps this is a sign that “the press” is will go the way of the dinosaur ?

Dr. Burns, I would say that is a very good “opservation” because of the “Biased Media” today. People are flocking to the Internet to read and participate with all subjects of interest and receiving “both” sides of the issue..Literally participating in debate! A lot of them starting their own “Blogs”. Something you couldn’t do unless you were in a public forum and these were rare. Get-togethers with friends and family was the only other common way.

I was at a Doctors Office yesterday and I saw the “Times” magazine on the table. Now, I haven’t looked nor read one in I would say 10 years. When I picked it up, I couldn’t believe how light it was. I looked at it and it was very thin. Maybe 40 some pages thick..I didn’t count but my point is “all” of the major magazines and news articles are down in subscriptions..”They are Hurting”!! I also contribute it to the majorities “Biased” standing on Issues..I know a little over a year ago when Obama was running of the White House, if you wanted to see anything on the “negative” side, you had to go to the Internet and it wasn’t hard to find..Sad but true..

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The net however is ablaze with the story. Google hits on “ClimateGate” in the past 3 days:
59,000;
69,000;
147,000 today
Perhaps this is a sign that “the press” is will go the way of the dinosaur ?

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Denny – you needed Climategate to find out Vincent Gray’s skeptical opinions?

Matt, no I’m well aware of Dr Grays views on this subject! I just wanted to point out that He was a Climate Consulant for the IPCC TAR 3rd Revision back in 2000. I wanted to “show” what He was thinking and responding to in this report…I thought you would have figured that out!! After 9 years, these issues have not changed at all…

Here is His latest Debate with Trenberth earlier this year.

http://fortcollinsteaparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/xchangegray_ftcollinsfeb08.pdf

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Good advice, and thanks. Sitting on the fence can be mighty painful, especially after a thorough hockey-sticking.

Brendan, we were ALL there where you are now at one time on this Issue. Back in 88 when James Hansen started the “scare” tactics, I just thought he was some extremist! I ignored the whole issue BUT kept an ear out! I think Brendan, the OZone crisis back in the 90’s gave them momentum and they helped Hansen and the rest is History… As far as sitting on the Fence/Hockey Stick, yes I too believe it would be a little unconfortable..:)

Brendan, we are here for you, and you are MOST Welcome!!!!

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http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1272.0

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Just to be clear, I’m strictly a one-way man. The internet can cause all sorts of misunderstandings, as we have seen happen with these stolen/leaked/lost emails.

“That’s sad because eventually, because “loneliness” eventually takes over from within unless you are very good at ignoring it.”

Better to be miserable and wealthy rather than miserable and poor. My problem is that women with money always run a mile. I wonder why?

“I wouldn’t call them “Friends” if they laugh at you unless they are teasing you.”

That’s what I’m not sure of. They call it “hockey-sticking”, and it sure is painful. Perhaps I should complain, but then I’d be both poor and lonely.

“This is the Ultimate question! Ask it!”

Believe it! But after the last hockey-sticking I might keep quiet for a while. I must say, though, that your inspiring talk of morals, respect, dignity and ambition has given me a good deal of hope that, in time, I too, may change, as our young leader often says, or used to.

“ALWAYS help those who are socalled “on the fence” about this issue..”

Good advice, and thanks. Sitting on the fence can be mighty painful, especially after a thorough hockey-sticking.

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