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		<title>By: Handelssystem</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/australia-still-hangs-in-the-carbon-trading-twilight-zone/comment-page-1/#comment-18997</link>
		<dc:creator>Handelssystem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site contains really interesting stuff, beneficial for me also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site contains really interesting stuff, beneficial for me also.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh oh – this has to hurt Aussie Liberal sceptics… even the Queen has abandoned them! Could at least bring on a republic at least.
&#039;Queen Elizabeth II has urged Australia and other Commonwealth nations to lead the world in responding to climate change&#039;&quot; 

My bet is that Her Maj&#039;s speech was written by Gordo, so no surprises there.

Perhaps, if it really is her opinion, it might change somewhat when the miscreants are hauled into court to answer criminal charges.  The wheels have already been set in motion by Lord Christopher Monckton.

Ponder the train wreck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh oh – this has to hurt Aussie Liberal sceptics… even the Queen has abandoned them! Could at least bring on a republic at least.<br />
&#8216;Queen Elizabeth II has urged Australia and other Commonwealth nations to lead the world in responding to climate change&#8217;&#8221; </p>
<p>My bet is that Her Maj&#8217;s speech was written by Gordo, so no surprises there.</p>
<p>Perhaps, if it really is her opinion, it might change somewhat when the miscreants are hauled into court to answer criminal charges.  The wheels have already been set in motion by Lord Christopher Monckton.</p>
<p>Ponder the train wreck!</p>
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		<title>By: Matty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the weekend unfolds Turnbull looks more and more lke a Labor politician.  Gillard on insiders described him as in &quot;lockstep&quot;.  We will never again see a government and an opposition leader gang up on the opposition.  AT least it seals his fate a little further.  After this weekend even his supporters would know it&#039;s not salvagable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the weekend unfolds Turnbull looks more and more lke a Labor politician.  Gillard on insiders described him as in &#8220;lockstep&#8221;.  We will never again see a government and an opposition leader gang up on the opposition.  AT least it seals his fate a little further.  After this weekend even his supporters would know it&#8217;s not salvagable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the parliamentary Libs think Hockey will assuage their base they are in for a shock. Hockey is also Rudd-lite. Whatever I think about him, Abbott showed guts in his actions, Hockey did not - even with the gut that he has! He&#039;s now riding Abbott&#039;s coat-tail and did not resign his Shadow Treasurer position in protest. Even now, he&#039;s saying he won&#039;t actually challenge Turnbull.

There&#039;s not the slightest doubt in my mind that he would betray the grass-root Libs at the earliest possible moment. We would be left gagging with him then spouting mealy-mouthed weasel words about &quot;healing the party&quot; and &quot;moving on&quot;

Like many others I emailed AND faxed all Coalition Senators.
All Nationals offices responded. The tone of these were much more personal than those of the ONE Lib who did respond (Heffernan) whose office stated that it would be passed on.

NEITHER HELEN COONAN NOR MARISE PAYNE EVEN BOTHERED WITH AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE!!!

That lack of basic courtesy won&#039;t be forgotten by anyone in my family. Never liked either of them anyway. Coonan strikes me as an ignoramus and Payne as a Labor person who thinks she&#039;s too good to be a Labor member.

Keep up the pressure folks and also remember to thank any Senators who respond appropriately.
Just heard the news on radio. Turnbull is now directing his vitriol to any Lib member who differs from him. What a bully, what hubris! How could any Lib support such behaviour? To boot, his political judgement is abysmal. Hasn&#039;t landed a single blow on Rudd&#039;s glass jaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the parliamentary Libs think Hockey will assuage their base they are in for a shock. Hockey is also Rudd-lite. Whatever I think about him, Abbott showed guts in his actions, Hockey did not &#8211; even with the gut that he has! He&#8217;s now riding Abbott&#8217;s coat-tail and did not resign his Shadow Treasurer position in protest. Even now, he&#8217;s saying he won&#8217;t actually challenge Turnbull.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not the slightest doubt in my mind that he would betray the grass-root Libs at the earliest possible moment. We would be left gagging with him then spouting mealy-mouthed weasel words about &#8220;healing the party&#8221; and &#8220;moving on&#8221;</p>
<p>Like many others I emailed AND faxed all Coalition Senators.<br />
All Nationals offices responded. The tone of these were much more personal than those of the ONE Lib who did respond (Heffernan) whose office stated that it would be passed on.</p>
<p>NEITHER HELEN COONAN NOR MARISE PAYNE EVEN BOTHERED WITH AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE!!!</p>
<p>That lack of basic courtesy won&#8217;t be forgotten by anyone in my family. Never liked either of them anyway. Coonan strikes me as an ignoramus and Payne as a Labor person who thinks she&#8217;s too good to be a Labor member.</p>
<p>Keep up the pressure folks and also remember to thank any Senators who respond appropriately.<br />
Just heard the news on radio. Turnbull is now directing his vitriol to any Lib member who differs from him. What a bully, what hubris! How could any Lib support such behaviour? To boot, his political judgement is abysmal. Hasn&#8217;t landed a single blow on Rudd&#8217;s glass jaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Plasmablast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plasmablast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speech!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speech!</p>
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		<title>By: Plasmablast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plasmablast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Gibbo,
Great speach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Gibbo,<br />
Great speach!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha Tony, 

Your post about joining the EU made me laugh. I work next to a POM and he&#039;s says exactly the same thing. They&#039;ll never ask the public because they know what the public will say. 

They&#039;ll just go ahead and do it &quot;for the good of the country&quot; :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha Tony, </p>
<p>Your post about joining the EU made me laugh. I work next to a POM and he&#8217;s says exactly the same thing. They&#8217;ll never ask the public because they know what the public will say. </p>
<p>They&#8217;ll just go ahead and do it &#8220;for the good of the country&#8221; <img src='http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another gem from the CRU Files. Thank Steve Milloy over at Junkscience for it:

On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Trenberth wrote:

Hi Tom
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
Kevin [My emphasis]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another gem from the CRU Files. Thank Steve Milloy over at Junkscience for it:</p>
<p>On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Trenberth wrote:</p>
<p>Hi Tom<br />
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!<br />
Kevin [My emphasis]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty simple really. The same thing happens here in the UK. If you want to get a piece of legislation through - don&#039;t explain(to the public) 70% of the UK don&#039;t want to be in the EU. So the governement doesn&#039;t explain nor do the Tories. It&#039;s the same with Global warming. Don&#039;t explain just do it. It&#039;s called lack of moral fibre. Your Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull have it in loads</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty simple really. The same thing happens here in the UK. If you want to get a piece of legislation through &#8211; don&#8217;t explain(to the public) 70% of the UK don&#8217;t want to be in the EU. So the governement doesn&#8217;t explain nor do the Tories. It&#8217;s the same with Global warming. Don&#8217;t explain just do it. It&#8217;s called lack of moral fibre. Your Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull have it in loads</p>
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		<title>By: Plasmablast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plasmablast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I work for a Government I despise for ends I think criminal”

I sent this to all members of Parliament who supposedly are meant to be on my side. – Those who read it will determine if it applies to them.

Dear Sir/Madam,
 RE: - AWG and empowerment   - 29th November 2009
“I work for a Government I despise for ends I think criminal”
 - Letter to Duncan Grant (15 December 1917 - John Maynard Keynes)”
Those of you who are a bit slow on the uptake.
Please stop insulting me and family by suggesting that only you are concerned about the future of my children. I will look after them thank you.
Your support of Labour to impose an egregious tax on my family’s future is fraudulent against me and the people of Australia for the following reasons.
1.	You do not have the moral support of the people you represent to introduce this tax as indicated by the thousands of emails you have received. Some of you (Member for Kooyong and others) do not even have web sites that work properly and so have remained blissfully ignorant of the storm of protest.
2.	You have failed to acknowledge or give any consideration to the fact that your global warming faith has been shaken across the world by breaking news this week of “manipulated data” used to support your faith. This is the second time the data on which you choose to rely has been discredited. The first being the “hockey stick lie”. “When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do Sir?” - John Maynard Keynes
3.	If you are so concerned about the future of our children, consider this. I get the underlying impression from you that your global warming exponents are beyond reproach and beyond questioning because of their white coats and their title “scientists”. What? Like scientist Sir Alexander Fleming in 1928 discovering that penicillin killed bacteria? If the GW answer lay in every child in the world taking a pill from these fraudsters, would you demand that each and every child in Australia take the pill instead of paying tax? Fleming of course had to prove his discovery, make sure it was safe to use and with the help of Australian Howard Walter Florey, commenced using it on humans twelve years later in the Second World War. This was real science, from the old school, we could trust them, rely on them to act honestly, and give them our children to cure. Do you really consider the current batch of global warming alarmists to be in this class? Have this level on integrity? Deserving of our respect? If you do then, “Step Back and Think” (a saying that come from our treasured youth of today).
4.	The truth hurts so I suggest you sit down for this. You are selfish and conceited. You are concerned with your upcoming electoral position (next week, next year, next two years – who cares). You are not concerned with the next one hundred years as you so blithely put forward for if you were, you would call for a full independent enquiry on AGW and spare no expense at getting to the truth.  You have not done so and shame on you. You are lazy and have relied on others research to build up your “opinions” rather than do the hard yards and research it fully for your constituency as they deserve to expect from you. 
5.	Had you done your research you would have discovered the following:
a.	The tax you wish to impose on Australians will have no measurable effect on CO2 levels in the atmosphere - ever. Your fraud is to support a tax which is meaningless in terms of reducing the Gas that you are so afraid of. A dishonest ponzi tax scheme!
b.	If you are truly a believer in AGW then you should have put forward a tax bill that would have addressed the issue of significantly reducing CO2 emissions by Australia. I know you have looked at this but you have fraudulently kept it in the back ground and hidden it from your peoples. NOT because it was going to accomplish your declared objective of reducing AGW – but because it would bankrupt the country and you would be voted out of office!
c.	The “new idea” magazine style science upon which you rely is now so clearly under question, your “group think” mentality brings your own mentality and objective reason into question.
6.	The halls of academia have also taken a brutal hiding. In the good old days, Professors used to have something called “tenure” – a job for life. Tenure was important so that any Professor could speak out without fear or favour. A fundamental tenant to maintain the integrity of our scholars. In addition, in times gone past, no one is business was allowed to give Universities “tagged” donations. (for exclusive data access or ownership or for having any influence on research paper outcomes). I completed my MBA at the Melbourne Business School. Each “Chair” at the school was set up (at that time) by a donation of $5 or $6 million dollars. This cash was then put into investments to provide the “Chair income” sufficient to pay the Professor and his or her staff. This provided eternal financial independence to the school, no matter what its research or findings, no matter who was in Government, no matter what the world opinion was. – Without fear or favour. 
7.	The bastion of academic independence is now smashed. Not by Private Enterprise (the original mea culpa for which tenure protection was designed) but by Government and the billions of funding it provides to Universities for its own “preferred” projects. As you know, we have recently lost the integrity of the CSIRO over this, (employee’s AWG Research Paper dished because it was not helpful to the Government cause) previously the most trusted scientific institution in the Country. Money corrupts.
8.	Finally, let me tell you something further that you clearly don’t know. Australians are a proud and independent people both in thought and deed. We don’t need you to tell us how to look after our children and indeed we resent your contempt that you assume you have our authority to do so. It is fatuous of you to argue you are leading the people on this. We the people lead and tell you what we want done. Not the other way round!
9.	Climate sceptics’ are thinking Australians and our country is united. Your attempts’ to divide the peoples of our Nation between “the global warming faithful” and the “skeptics” shows you to be cowardly. If you are honest and straightforward in the truest of Australian tradition then get on with business of explaining yourself, your points of reference, your research, and your conclusions.
10.	Trust me. If you are right, Australians will see it. If you are wrong, have the good grace to withdraw and leave us alone to protect our own children.
Yours sincerely,
David Armstrong
Kew Victoria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I work for a Government I despise for ends I think criminal”</p>
<p>I sent this to all members of Parliament who supposedly are meant to be on my side. – Those who read it will determine if it applies to them.</p>
<p>Dear Sir/Madam,<br />
 RE: &#8211; AWG and empowerment   &#8211; 29th November 2009<br />
“I work for a Government I despise for ends I think criminal”<br />
 &#8211; Letter to Duncan Grant (15 December 1917 &#8211; John Maynard Keynes)”<br />
Those of you who are a bit slow on the uptake.<br />
Please stop insulting me and family by suggesting that only you are concerned about the future of my children. I will look after them thank you.<br />
Your support of Labour to impose an egregious tax on my family’s future is fraudulent against me and the people of Australia for the following reasons.<br />
1.	You do not have the moral support of the people you represent to introduce this tax as indicated by the thousands of emails you have received. Some of you (Member for Kooyong and others) do not even have web sites that work properly and so have remained blissfully ignorant of the storm of protest.<br />
2.	You have failed to acknowledge or give any consideration to the fact that your global warming faith has been shaken across the world by breaking news this week of “manipulated data” used to support your faith. This is the second time the data on which you choose to rely has been discredited. The first being the “hockey stick lie”. “When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do Sir?” &#8211; John Maynard Keynes<br />
3.	If you are so concerned about the future of our children, consider this. I get the underlying impression from you that your global warming exponents are beyond reproach and beyond questioning because of their white coats and their title “scientists”. What? Like scientist Sir Alexander Fleming in 1928 discovering that penicillin killed bacteria? If the GW answer lay in every child in the world taking a pill from these fraudsters, would you demand that each and every child in Australia take the pill instead of paying tax? Fleming of course had to prove his discovery, make sure it was safe to use and with the help of Australian Howard Walter Florey, commenced using it on humans twelve years later in the Second World War. This was real science, from the old school, we could trust them, rely on them to act honestly, and give them our children to cure. Do you really consider the current batch of global warming alarmists to be in this class? Have this level on integrity? Deserving of our respect? If you do then, “Step Back and Think” (a saying that come from our treasured youth of today).<br />
4.	The truth hurts so I suggest you sit down for this. You are selfish and conceited. You are concerned with your upcoming electoral position (next week, next year, next two years – who cares). You are not concerned with the next one hundred years as you so blithely put forward for if you were, you would call for a full independent enquiry on AGW and spare no expense at getting to the truth.  You have not done so and shame on you. You are lazy and have relied on others research to build up your “opinions” rather than do the hard yards and research it fully for your constituency as they deserve to expect from you.<br />
5.	Had you done your research you would have discovered the following:<br />
a.	The tax you wish to impose on Australians will have no measurable effect on CO2 levels in the atmosphere &#8211; ever. Your fraud is to support a tax which is meaningless in terms of reducing the Gas that you are so afraid of. A dishonest ponzi tax scheme!<br />
b.	If you are truly a believer in AGW then you should have put forward a tax bill that would have addressed the issue of significantly reducing CO2 emissions by Australia. I know you have looked at this but you have fraudulently kept it in the back ground and hidden it from your peoples. NOT because it was going to accomplish your declared objective of reducing AGW – but because it would bankrupt the country and you would be voted out of office!<br />
c.	The “new idea” magazine style science upon which you rely is now so clearly under question, your “group think” mentality brings your own mentality and objective reason into question.<br />
6.	The halls of academia have also taken a brutal hiding. In the good old days, Professors used to have something called “tenure” – a job for life. Tenure was important so that any Professor could speak out without fear or favour. A fundamental tenant to maintain the integrity of our scholars. In addition, in times gone past, no one is business was allowed to give Universities “tagged” donations. (for exclusive data access or ownership or for having any influence on research paper outcomes). I completed my MBA at the Melbourne Business School. Each “Chair” at the school was set up (at that time) by a donation of $5 or $6 million dollars. This cash was then put into investments to provide the “Chair income” sufficient to pay the Professor and his or her staff. This provided eternal financial independence to the school, no matter what its research or findings, no matter who was in Government, no matter what the world opinion was. – Without fear or favour.<br />
7.	The bastion of academic independence is now smashed. Not by Private Enterprise (the original mea culpa for which tenure protection was designed) but by Government and the billions of funding it provides to Universities for its own “preferred” projects. As you know, we have recently lost the integrity of the CSIRO over this, (employee’s AWG Research Paper dished because it was not helpful to the Government cause) previously the most trusted scientific institution in the Country. Money corrupts.<br />
8.	Finally, let me tell you something further that you clearly don’t know. Australians are a proud and independent people both in thought and deed. We don’t need you to tell us how to look after our children and indeed we resent your contempt that you assume you have our authority to do so. It is fatuous of you to argue you are leading the people on this. We the people lead and tell you what we want done. Not the other way round!<br />
9.	Climate sceptics’ are thinking Australians and our country is united. Your attempts’ to divide the peoples of our Nation between “the global warming faithful” and the “skeptics” shows you to be cowardly. If you are honest and straightforward in the truest of Australian tradition then get on with business of explaining yourself, your points of reference, your research, and your conclusions.<br />
10.	Trust me. If you are right, Australians will see it. If you are wrong, have the good grace to withdraw and leave us alone to protect our own children.<br />
Yours sincerely,<br />
David Armstrong<br />
Kew Victoria.</p>
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