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		<title>By: BobC</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 02:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;MattB 
December 9, 2011 at 11:08 am

Anyways, nice to know I have a steady fan base.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to worry, MattB -- there will always be sheep who have been taught not to think for themselves.  (Like Nettie, who has been kept completely ignorant of the rules of logic -- probably thinks they&#039;re &quot;right wing&quot; or something.)

If you were really ambitious (like Al Gore) you would figure out how to make money from them (the sheep, not the rules of logic).


Oh, and Mark D. -- come on in, the water&#039;s fine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MattB<br />
December 9, 2011 at 11:08 am</p>
<p>Anyways, nice to know I have a steady fan base.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to worry, MattB &#8212; there will always be sheep who have been taught not to think for themselves.  (Like Nettie, who has been kept completely ignorant of the rules of logic &#8212; probably thinks they&#8217;re &#8220;right wing&#8221; or something.)</p>
<p>If you were really ambitious (like Al Gore) you would figure out how to make money from them (the sheep, not the rules of logic).</p>
<p>Oh, and Mark D. &#8212; come on in, the water&#8217;s fine!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, Why didn&#039;t I get invited to this party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, Why didn&#8217;t I get invited to this party?</p>
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		<title>By: MattB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair dinkum it was my son&#039;s pre-primary sports carnival last month.  He came home with three ribbons pinned on him that say &quot;I ran in a race&quot;.  Anyways, nice to know I have a steady fan base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair dinkum it was my son&#8217;s pre-primary sports carnival last month.  He came home with three ribbons pinned on him that say &#8220;I ran in a race&#8221;.  Anyways, nice to know I have a steady fan base.</p>
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		<title>By: BobC</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jay 
December 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm 

I agree with Nettie here. Who cares if global warming/climate change is human driven or not? Using fossil fuels and polluting like madmen is ridiculous anyway. If we cut the use of fossil fuels and find alternatives we ensure the future of the human race. If we do not find alternatives our fuel system will collapse, and as soon as it starts to do so wars will increase in intensity and then we witness the fall of mankind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like someone (your teacher?) has sold you a bill of goods.  Because you can imagine the above sequence is not evidence that it will occur.  In fact, it is a completely bogus &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;theoretical&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; claim (probably inspired by Marxism).  

Look at real history, and find me &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; example of a (mostly) free society where anything similar happened.  How about when we ran out of whale oil?  What happened to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/our-economic-past-the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Great Horse Manure Crisis&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?

I suggest you study up on how your society really works -- you won&#039;t be such a sucker for these Marxist claims.  (How many times has Marx been right about any of his predictions?  Hint: less than once.)

A good start would be to browse the website I linked above -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreemanonline.org/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Foundation for Economic Education&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  You are in desperate need of some.

&lt;em&gt;(Or, you could call up the courage of your convictions and get rid of all those nasty energy sources from your life -- revert to a short, brutish life in a cave.  Just don&#039;t expect us to follow suite.)&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jay<br />
December 8, 2011 at 5:02 pm </p>
<p>I agree with Nettie here. Who cares if global warming/climate change is human driven or not? Using fossil fuels and polluting like madmen is ridiculous anyway. If we cut the use of fossil fuels and find alternatives we ensure the future of the human race. If we do not find alternatives our fuel system will collapse, and as soon as it starts to do so wars will increase in intensity and then we witness the fall of mankind.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like someone (your teacher?) has sold you a bill of goods.  Because you can imagine the above sequence is not evidence that it will occur.  In fact, it is a completely bogus <strong><em>theoretical</em></strong> claim (probably inspired by Marxism).  </p>
<p>Look at real history, and find me <strong><em>one</em></strong> example of a (mostly) free society where anything similar happened.  How about when we ran out of whale oil?  What happened to the <a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/our-economic-past-the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Great Horse Manure Crisis</strong></a>?</p>
<p>I suggest you study up on how your society really works &#8212; you won&#8217;t be such a sucker for these Marxist claims.  (How many times has Marx been right about any of his predictions?  Hint: less than once.)</p>
<p>A good start would be to browse the website I linked above &#8212; <a href="http://www.thefreemanonline.org/about/" rel="nofollow"><strong>The Foundation for Economic Education</strong></a>.  You are in desperate need of some.</p>
<p><em>(Or, you could call up the courage of your convictions and get rid of all those nasty energy sources from your life &#8212; revert to a short, brutish life in a cave.  Just don&#8217;t expect us to follow suite.)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Baa Humbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baa Humbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AAWWWW BLOODY HELL JOANNE NOVA, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ASKED YOU NOT TO INVITE GETUP TYPE KIDDIES TO THIS BLOG.

I&#039;ve said it once if I&#039;ve said it a thousand times. First we wait until these kiddies grow up and mature. This will happen when they&#039;ve got real jobs in the real world and have had a few hard knocks from life.
Then they will be able to relate to the real world and will be worth listening to.

HEY NETTIE, here is your first knock in life...

ANYONE WHO THINKS A GAS IN AN OPEN SYSTEM CAN STORE HEAT IS A MORON, THAT IS SPELLED M. O. R. O. N. MORON.

As a first step, you should hand back all the ribbons and medals and certificates you got for coming 7th and 12th in whatever you competed in.
Contrary to what your pinko huggy kissy leftard teachers told you, when you came 7th in a race of 8, YOU FAILED, YOU LOST, YOU WEREN&#039;T GOOD ENOUGH, NO IT WASN&#039;T A GOOD TRY, IT WAS A FAILURE IN THE MOST CLEAR DEFINITION OF THE WORD.

Once you accept that, you will have taken your first baby step into the real world.
Next lesson I&#039;ll teach you how to THINK FOR YOURSELF. but I warn you, I might smack you over the head a couple of times, just to make sure it all sinks in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAWWWW BLOODY HELL JOANNE NOVA, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ASKED YOU NOT TO INVITE GETUP TYPE KIDDIES TO THIS BLOG.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it once if I&#8217;ve said it a thousand times. First we wait until these kiddies grow up and mature. This will happen when they&#8217;ve got real jobs in the real world and have had a few hard knocks from life.<br />
Then they will be able to relate to the real world and will be worth listening to.</p>
<p>HEY NETTIE, here is your first knock in life&#8230;</p>
<p>ANYONE WHO THINKS A GAS IN AN OPEN SYSTEM CAN STORE HEAT IS A MORON, THAT IS SPELLED M. O. R. O. N. MORON.</p>
<p>As a first step, you should hand back all the ribbons and medals and certificates you got for coming 7th and 12th in whatever you competed in.<br />
Contrary to what your pinko huggy kissy leftard teachers told you, when you came 7th in a race of 8, YOU FAILED, YOU LOST, YOU WEREN&#8217;T GOOD ENOUGH, NO IT WASN&#8217;T A GOOD TRY, IT WAS A FAILURE IN THE MOST CLEAR DEFINITION OF THE WORD.</p>
<p>Once you accept that, you will have taken your first baby step into the real world.<br />
Next lesson I&#8217;ll teach you how to THINK FOR YOURSELF. but I warn you, I might smack you over the head a couple of times, just to make sure it all sinks in.</p>
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		<title>By: Baa Humbug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baa Humbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utopian J says....

&lt;blockquote&gt;If we cut the use of fossil fuels and find alternatives we ensure the future of the human race.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can see clearly now the rain is gone.

What Utopian J is about is the saving of mankind (ooops sorry J that was unPC, Peoplekind? Personskind? Humankind? Please don&#039;t sue me for sexism)

If I had of known this before, I wouldn&#039;t have made fun of Utopian J.
Thank you J from the very bottom of my bottom, where would human/person/peoplekinds be without concerned saviours like you?

Can I help you distribute pamphlets door to door? Surely you have a store of pamphlets at home titled &quot;We must save human/person/peoplekinds from themselves&quot;?

We can ride pushbikes in tandem and go door knocking to &quot;save&quot; people.

I learned a good sales method at one time. You record yourself &lt;del&gt;preaching &lt;/del&gt;  (ooops freudian slip)saying all these things about saving human/people/personkinds then listen to yourself. IT&#039;S A REAL EYE OPENER.

G&#039;head, try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utopian J says&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>If we cut the use of fossil fuels and find alternatives we ensure the future of the human race.</p></blockquote>
<p>I can see clearly now the rain is gone.</p>
<p>What Utopian J is about is the saving of mankind (ooops sorry J that was unPC, Peoplekind? Personskind? Humankind? Please don&#8217;t sue me for sexism)</p>
<p>If I had of known this before, I wouldn&#8217;t have made fun of Utopian J.<br />
Thank you J from the very bottom of my bottom, where would human/person/peoplekinds be without concerned saviours like you?</p>
<p>Can I help you distribute pamphlets door to door? Surely you have a store of pamphlets at home titled &#8220;We must save human/person/peoplekinds from themselves&#8221;?</p>
<p>We can ride pushbikes in tandem and go door knocking to &#8220;save&#8221; people.</p>
<p>I learned a good sales method at one time. You record yourself <del>preaching </del>  (ooops freudian slip)saying all these things about saving human/people/personkinds then listen to yourself. IT&#8217;S A REAL EYE OPENER.</p>
<p>G&#8217;head, try it.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 07:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nettie here.  Who cares if global warming/climate change is human driven or not?  Using fossil fuels and polluting like madmen is ridiculous anyway. If we cut the use of fossil fuels and find alternatives we ensure the future of the human race.  If we do not find alternatives our fuel system will collapse, and as soon as it starts to do so wars will increase in intensity and then we witness the fall of mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nettie here.  Who cares if global warming/climate change is human driven or not?  Using fossil fuels and polluting like madmen is ridiculous anyway. If we cut the use of fossil fuels and find alternatives we ensure the future of the human race.  If we do not find alternatives our fuel system will collapse, and as soon as it starts to do so wars will increase in intensity and then we witness the fall of mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: Nettie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nettie</dc:creator>
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		<description>I am so sad when I read internet-conversations about these kind of topics.  But I couldn&#039;t resist, I just had to say something.
Don&#039;t pick on MattB, I also might not agree with EVERYTHING he says, but I mostly agree with nothing of the &#039;our current global warming isn&#039;t anthropocentric&#039; stuff. 
For those of you who didn&#039;t realize, it is not a debate, it is already an established fact based in cold hard evidence taken by numerous scientist. There is a VERY strong correlation between population growth and CO2 emissions and then CO2 emission has a strong correlation with higher temperatures.  That is what, per definition, GHG-gasses does it stores heat from the sun.  We, humans, people, you, me, the world, consumerists (call it what you like) are consuming too much and dumping too much waste/GHG/toxins/etc into the biosphere. Shifting our current climate into a state several degrees warmer.
No one, cares if you think global warming is not man-made, everybody who matters knows you are wrong.  And lets say you are right; that this global warming is just, coincidentally, the same time the world population and GHG emissions exploded and is not caused by it.  Why should that be a reason for humans to keep on living like pigs, consuming too much, destroying other species, polluting everything possible, etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sad when I read internet-conversations about these kind of topics.  But I couldn&#8217;t resist, I just had to say something.<br />
Don&#8217;t pick on MattB, I also might not agree with EVERYTHING he says, but I mostly agree with nothing of the &#8216;our current global warming isn&#8217;t anthropocentric&#8217; stuff.<br />
For those of you who didn&#8217;t realize, it is not a debate, it is already an established fact based in cold hard evidence taken by numerous scientist. There is a VERY strong correlation between population growth and CO2 emissions and then CO2 emission has a strong correlation with higher temperatures.  That is what, per definition, GHG-gasses does it stores heat from the sun.  We, humans, people, you, me, the world, consumerists (call it what you like) are consuming too much and dumping too much waste/GHG/toxins/etc into the biosphere. Shifting our current climate into a state several degrees warmer.<br />
No one, cares if you think global warming is not man-made, everybody who matters knows you are wrong.  And lets say you are right; that this global warming is just, coincidentally, the same time the world population and GHG emissions exploded and is not caused by it.  Why should that be a reason for humans to keep on living like pigs, consuming too much, destroying other species, polluting everything possible, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: John Caley</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Caley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing that this thread is still current

&lt;strong&gt;Latest from me in brief&lt;/strong&gt;

Global warming was/is due to over-hot oceans, setting a high general overnight temperature to the atmosphere.
This over-hot ocean is due to the layer of petroleum oil in the marine micro layer.

The oil film reduces heat loss from the ocean, represented by seawater evaporation.

Freshwater inflows into the sea changes this equilibrium... as does over over-hot spots, thus storms can spring from nowhere very suddenly.

The latest petroleum oil blowout into the Gulf of Mexico, will add extra thickness to the resident marine oil layer.  Up until the blowout, the ocean temperature was levelling out... indicating an Ice Age was imminent

Now this extra oil will delay the onset of the oncoming Ice Age, as the oceans will need to get that much hotter before breakout water evaporation commences again.

Europe will become particularly cold... Arctic meltwater, hot ocean, increased evaporation----&gt; massive ice/snow storms.

The global picture is looking extra bleak.  IMO, the Northern Hemisphere (because of Arctic freshwater inflows) will become relatively uninhabitable.

The extra oil on the ocean surface will make the Southern Hemisphere even drier.

Anyway good luck all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing that this thread is still current</p>
<p><strong>Latest from me in brief</strong></p>
<p>Global warming was/is due to over-hot oceans, setting a high general overnight temperature to the atmosphere.<br />
This over-hot ocean is due to the layer of petroleum oil in the marine micro layer.</p>
<p>The oil film reduces heat loss from the ocean, represented by seawater evaporation.</p>
<p>Freshwater inflows into the sea changes this equilibrium&#8230; as does over over-hot spots, thus storms can spring from nowhere very suddenly.</p>
<p>The latest petroleum oil blowout into the Gulf of Mexico, will add extra thickness to the resident marine oil layer.  Up until the blowout, the ocean temperature was levelling out&#8230; indicating an Ice Age was imminent</p>
<p>Now this extra oil will delay the onset of the oncoming Ice Age, as the oceans will need to get that much hotter before breakout water evaporation commences again.</p>
<p>Europe will become particularly cold&#8230; Arctic meltwater, hot ocean, increased evaporation&#8212;-&gt; massive ice/snow storms.</p>
<p>The global picture is looking extra bleak.  IMO, the Northern Hemisphere (because of Arctic freshwater inflows) will become relatively uninhabitable.</p>
<p>The extra oil on the ocean surface will make the Southern Hemisphere even drier.</p>
<p>Anyway good luck all.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rewriting the decline &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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