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		<title>By: The ClimateGate Virus &#124; NW0.eu</title>
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		<dc:creator>The ClimateGate Virus &#124; NW0.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The carbon casino caught with its pants down (again) « JoNova &#171; Links related to www.worldisgreen.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The carbon casino caught with its pants down (again) « JoNova &#171; Links related to www.worldisgreen.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Alex34</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She is supported by data about the   experience of people afflicted with lesions on the amygdale, that part   of the brain central to our emotions. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is supported by data about the   experience of people afflicted with lesions on the amygdale, that part   of the brain central to our emotions. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Carbon Trading Scams Exposed - The Environment Site Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carbon Trading Scams Exposed - The Environment Site Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forester,

The scammers want to treat carbon dioxide just as most governments have tobacco; why place an outright ban on evil when you can just tax the living Hades out of its consumers?  

The context has nothing to do with solving any perceived crisis.  Rather, global warming is about creating the conditions and restrictions that define who profits and how pays, on a global scale.  In other words, the rich get richer, the poor and get poorer, and those of us who strive between them continue to be exploited as a resource, by force of law!

1.  Create the perception of crisis.
2.  Proffer a convenient solution.
3.  Lobby the solution into writ of law.
4.  Profit by force at the expense of the masses.
5.  Repeat.

Look at all the crises peddled by those in power and tell me the pattern hasen&#039;t emerged; and I have some beachfront property in Arizona I&#039;d like to sell you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forester,</p>
<p>The scammers want to treat carbon dioxide just as most governments have tobacco; why place an outright ban on evil when you can just tax the living Hades out of its consumers?  </p>
<p>The context has nothing to do with solving any perceived crisis.  Rather, global warming is about creating the conditions and restrictions that define who profits and how pays, on a global scale.  In other words, the rich get richer, the poor and get poorer, and those of us who strive between them continue to be exploited as a resource, by force of law!</p>
<p>1.  Create the perception of crisis.<br />
2.  Proffer a convenient solution.<br />
3.  Lobby the solution into writ of law.<br />
4.  Profit by force at the expense of the masses.<br />
5.  Repeat.</p>
<p>Look at all the crises peddled by those in power and tell me the pattern hasen&#8217;t emerged; and I have some beachfront property in Arizona I&#8217;d like to sell you <img src='http://joannenova.com.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CyberForester</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyberForester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still maintain that if Governments are serious about reducing CO2 emissions they should legislate against the production of goods or services that are non-essential to life.  Entertainment and recreation should just be banned.  No more television broadcasts, movies, concerts, sports events.  Ban the production and there won&#039;t be any consumption.  Consumers will save money instead of having to pay more by way of higher costs to cover the ETS or Carbon taxes. (That is what is seriously unpalatable to Governments about this scheme).

And if the &quot;greenies&quot; want to get serious about reducing emissions, they should really get personal about it.  They should reduce their own emissions to zero, simply by not inhaling or exhaling, not just for earth hour but for a more extended period.  (They don&#039;t like that idea, because they suspect that the rest of us will go back to our old ways after they aren&#039;t here to fulfil the role of eco-tyrant).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still maintain that if Governments are serious about reducing CO2 emissions they should legislate against the production of goods or services that are non-essential to life.  Entertainment and recreation should just be banned.  No more television broadcasts, movies, concerts, sports events.  Ban the production and there won&#8217;t be any consumption.  Consumers will save money instead of having to pay more by way of higher costs to cover the ETS or Carbon taxes. (That is what is seriously unpalatable to Governments about this scheme).</p>
<p>And if the &#8220;greenies&#8221; want to get serious about reducing emissions, they should really get personal about it.  They should reduce their own emissions to zero, simply by not inhaling or exhaling, not just for earth hour but for a more extended period.  (They don&#8217;t like that idea, because they suspect that the rest of us will go back to our old ways after they aren&#8217;t here to fulfil the role of eco-tyrant).</p>
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		<title>By: CyberForester</title>
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		<dc:creator>CyberForester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16  Thanks for the tip.  I secured myself 2000000 offsets. But I might have negated some of them sine I printed my certificate.  The Internet is great at reducing CO2 emissions.  My offsets have not required anyone to build any thing or drive out to the country to plant some trees and I haven&#039;t needed any Auditors to fly in from Singapore to check that my project even exists. I might have sold myself short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16  Thanks for the tip.  I secured myself 2000000 offsets. But I might have negated some of them sine I printed my certificate.  The Internet is great at reducing CO2 emissions.  My offsets have not required anyone to build any thing or drive out to the country to plant some trees and I haven&#8217;t needed any Auditors to fly in from Singapore to check that my project even exists. I might have sold myself short.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Valentine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that Capital Climate, when they reply to me anonymously as &quot;Capital Climate&quot; in their web log - demonstrate a nastiness towards me that borders on a neurosis.  

When and an &quot;individual&quot; from Capital Climate reponds to me (say as Steve T) - then their diatribe directed at me is toned down.  

Meaning they are too cowardly to direct their extreme distaste for me excepting under the cover of anonymity.  

Capital Climate must have a contract with Eli Rabbit to &quot;demolish*&quot; deniers when they appear on their Capital Climate web log.  

The web log becomes a unique form of entertainment.  


*attempt to demolish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that Capital Climate, when they reply to me anonymously as &#8220;Capital Climate&#8221; in their web log &#8211; demonstrate a nastiness towards me that borders on a neurosis.  </p>
<p>When and an &#8220;individual&#8221; from Capital Climate reponds to me (say as Steve T) &#8211; then their diatribe directed at me is toned down.  </p>
<p>Meaning they are too cowardly to direct their extreme distaste for me excepting under the cover of anonymity.  </p>
<p>Capital Climate must have a contract with Eli Rabbit to &#8220;demolish*&#8221; deniers when they appear on their Capital Climate web log.  </p>
<p>The web log becomes a unique form of entertainment.  </p>
<p>*attempt to demolish</p>
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		<title>By: allen mcmahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>allen mcmahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian aka capital climate sock puppet
I agree that you can change the party in power but I doubt that it will stop an emission trading scheme. There is just to much on the table in terms of money and control for any major political party to forgo.
The European Union&#039;s ETS was a disaster, the costs were enormous and emissions increased but that did not stop then entering a second round.Government may change in europe but ETS is there to stay.
In Australia I expect our main opposition party to force a few token changes from Rudd and then cave in. I really hope that I am wrong but I doubt it.
People have equated emission trading to a ponzi scheme but that is incorrect only the greedy get screwed over in a ponzi scheme an ETS gets us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian aka capital climate sock puppet<br />
I agree that you can change the party in power but I doubt that it will stop an emission trading scheme. There is just to much on the table in terms of money and control for any major political party to forgo.<br />
The European Union&#8217;s ETS was a disaster, the costs were enormous and emissions increased but that did not stop then entering a second round.Government may change in europe but ETS is there to stay.<br />
In Australia I expect our main opposition party to force a few token changes from Rudd and then cave in. I really hope that I am wrong but I doubt it.<br />
People have equated emission trading to a ponzi scheme but that is incorrect only the greedy get screwed over in a ponzi scheme an ETS gets us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Valentine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Valentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the ghastly story, Anne-Kit - I think.  

Voters - you DO know that you have the right to decide your own fates, don&#039;t you?  

You can&#039;t vote for your weather - but you can vote to decide who ought or ought not to to put you is a prison of their own design.  

Your political climate is one you CAN change - and there are increasingly more options for you to do just that.  

Joanne describes one instance of fraud living within a larger fraud - there is nothing more to the whole thing than death and destruction for everyone.  

I hope we can start to reverse this mess on the political front and say &quot;So Long!&quot; to people like Obama and Christine Milne and Kevin Rude and Gordon Brown. 

Thanks to journalism from people such as Joanne this is finally getting some traction to reverse course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the ghastly story, Anne-Kit &#8211; I think.  </p>
<p>Voters &#8211; you DO know that you have the right to decide your own fates, don&#8217;t you?  </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t vote for your weather &#8211; but you can vote to decide who ought or ought not to to put you is a prison of their own design.  </p>
<p>Your political climate is one you CAN change &#8211; and there are increasingly more options for you to do just that.  </p>
<p>Joanne describes one instance of fraud living within a larger fraud &#8211; there is nothing more to the whole thing than death and destruction for everyone.  </p>
<p>I hope we can start to reverse this mess on the political front and say &#8220;So Long!&#8221; to people like Obama and Christine Milne and Kevin Rude and Gordon Brown. </p>
<p>Thanks to journalism from people such as Joanne this is finally getting some traction to reverse course</p>
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