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		<dc:creator>Irregular Times &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lesson #1 With Global Warming Denial: Fact Check Every Claim</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: W.G.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess all the Church-of-the-Magical Myth-0-Matic, Melting Mannian Mechanism&#039;s members, are all being pressed against walls by the sodden bodies of drowned polar bears, as melted ice caps&#039; waters have raised the sea levels till they&#039;re all up to their waists in seawater, unable to reach their keyboards.

We&#039;ll wait while you extricate yourselves and float on back over to the keyboard to put an end to all this questioning. 

Fortunately I&#039;ve got one of those floating cup holders for my coffee so while I wait for you to push back the bodies of the sodden drowned polar bears and get back to us, I&#039;ll be o.k. 

Just in case maybe I should go get a boat cushion to sit on in my easy chair here so I can keep up with the exciting revelations of how Micheal Mann&#039;s Magical Melting Mechanism Morons explain to me in GREAT DETAIL how the laws of physics have been flipped and proven to not exist. 

Just think of all the carbon used up printing those silly laws of thermodynamics and special relativity relating to electromagnetics. On the other hand, maybe since Einstein&#039;s work is now worthless, we can use those now utterly debunked books on the laws of the universe to sop up some of the melted ice cap water.

pfffft. I wouldn&#039;t wipe off my Pet Polar Bear&#039;s behind with the degrees Gavin Schmidt, Micheal Mann, and Hansen claim they own. It is so GOOD living through the greatest scientific fraud attempt in recent history. It just makes me feel... well, &#039;&#039;cool.&#039;&#039; Or maybe that&#039;s just the ice cap water filling my sandals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess all the Church-of-the-Magical Myth-0-Matic, Melting Mannian Mechanism&#8217;s members, are all being pressed against walls by the sodden bodies of drowned polar bears, as melted ice caps&#8217; waters have raised the sea levels till they&#8217;re all up to their waists in seawater, unable to reach their keyboards.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll wait while you extricate yourselves and float on back over to the keyboard to put an end to all this questioning. </p>
<p>Fortunately I&#8217;ve got one of those floating cup holders for my coffee so while I wait for you to push back the bodies of the sodden drowned polar bears and get back to us, I&#8217;ll be o.k. </p>
<p>Just in case maybe I should go get a boat cushion to sit on in my easy chair here so I can keep up with the exciting revelations of how Micheal Mann&#8217;s Magical Melting Mechanism Morons explain to me in GREAT DETAIL how the laws of physics have been flipped and proven to not exist. </p>
<p>Just think of all the carbon used up printing those silly laws of thermodynamics and special relativity relating to electromagnetics. On the other hand, maybe since Einstein&#8217;s work is now worthless, we can use those now utterly debunked books on the laws of the universe to sop up some of the melted ice cap water.</p>
<p>pfffft. I wouldn&#8217;t wipe off my Pet Polar Bear&#8217;s behind with the degrees Gavin Schmidt, Micheal Mann, and Hansen claim they own. It is so GOOD living through the greatest scientific fraud attempt in recent history. It just makes me feel&#8230; well, &#8221;cool.&#8221; Or maybe that&#8217;s just the ice cap water filling my sandals.</p>
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		<description>AGWphiles don&#039;t talk to you about the fact that there&#039;s not only no giant, earth-parbroiling lens, but that every scientific organization on earth that can point/put a sensing device in the air, 

and all of them working together,

haven&#039;t been able to produce any: mark this: A.N.Y.  evidence of the massive quantities of heat falsely alleged to have magically gotten from the inner curve, of the face of this GIANT, EARTH ENCIRCLING LENS to - ANY where. 

Their pedantic refusal to face the fact, that the entire combined Meteorological, Aerospace, Military Research, Communications and Research, Astronomical,(legendary for the sensitivity of their extremely powerful optics, to atmospheric anomalies) 

as well as, the combined efforts of all the UNIVERSITY and amateurs in every single science known to man kind:

can&#039;t find A.N.Y. of the H.E.A.T. 

What AGW pseudoscientists want you to believe is simple, and quite concise. There&#039;s no mystery to it, and it&#039;s summed up with ease:

the earth is surrounded by a layer of gases that due to their molecular arrangement, act as interceptors of heat, of a certain wavelength: the infra-red heat coming off a rock or a parking lot, a wood burning stove. 


It&#039;s a tuned lens. Sunglasses let visible light through, blocks ultra-violet; AGW myth-lens allows visible light out, blocks a little of the infra red.


The problem with this MAMMOTH lens, is that WITH THE ENTIRE SENSING CAPACITY of ALL MANKIND, for more than TEN YEARS, 

N O B O D Y
but
N O B O D Y

can find ANY EVIDENCE there is a GIANT LENS. It&#039;s just 26 miles away people: radiating downward, SO MUCH HEAT, that it is INTERMITTANTLY REFLECTING ENOUGH, TO WARM ENTIRE CONTINENTAL SIZED AREAS.


And N O B O D Y can find

IONIZED DUST along the FACE of the lens
HEAT created LAYERING around the FACE of the lens
AIR MOVEMENTS around the FACE of the lens
OPTICAL ANOMALIES around the FACE of the lens
CHEMICAL CHANGES around the FACE of the lens
ELECTROMAGNETIC SIGNAL TRANSMISSION CHARACTERISTICS ANOMALIES around the FACE of the lens.


They haven&#039;t even BEGUN to EXPLAIN WHY FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, EVERY SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION ON EARTH, - MANY OF THEM WORKING TOGETHER COMBINING THEIR RESOURCES: 

can find ANY - ANY of the HEAT they claim is enough to heat CONTINENTS - 

THEY CLAIM they have a MAGIC LENS, that can not only hide ALL EVIDENCE IT EXISTS from us, but that it can hide ALL THE CONTINENTAL SIZED HEAT ANOMALIES IT HAS BEEN CREATING FOR YEARS.

 
THIS is I.M.P.O.S.S.I.B.E. UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN HOW NOT IN ONE SCIENCE: BUT IN EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE EVER DEVISED BY MANKIND ALL WORKING TOGETHER
 WITH THE MOST SOPHISTICATED AGGREGATION OF DETECTION/SENSING HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, AND BRAIN POWER EVER COMBINED,

 CAN&#039;T FIND AN ENORMOUS, GLOBAL LENS, THAT IS HEATING UP CONTINENT-SIZED REGIONS OF THE EARTH&#039;S ATMOSPHERE.


This is a SIMPLE QUESTION: IS THERE A GIANT, GLOBALLY ENCIRCLING LIGHTLY REFLECTIVE LAYER, STOPPING, AND TURNING BACK, ENOUGH HEAT TO CHANGE THE TEMPERATURES OF REGIONS THE SIZE OF CONTINENTS?

IF THERE IS, WHY CAN ALL OF THE SENSING EQUIPMENT MANKIND CAN DESPERATELY, FERVENTLY PUT TOGETHER, NOT FIND, ONE SINGLE INDICATOR of it A.N.Y.W.H.E.R.E.?

Especially in the tropics where the sun comes in MOST DIRECTLY and the atmosphere is by DEFAULT, THICKEST, INCLUDING THE AREA ABOVE IT, COMPRISING THE MAGIC MYTHICAL LENS.


Because according to the laws of THERMODYNAMICS pertaining to ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION it CAN NOT EXIST or WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND EVIDENCE OF IT BEING IN ACTION.

THAT&#039;S what you need to show.

WHY YOU HAVE NO ELECTROMAGNETIC SIGNATURE DETECTABLE BY ANY MEANS KNOWN.

Why are the ASTRONOMY FIELD not saying &#039;&#039;Oh yes we&#039;re familiar with atmospheric diffraction, our instruments are SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO HEAT CREATED TURBULENCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE WE BUILT HUBBLE and put it OUTSIDE THE ATMOSPHERE and WE CAN SEE CLEARLY, THE OPTICAL INTERFERENCE OF THE GIANT LENS&#039;S DIFFERENT REFRACTIVE INDEX when IT&#039;S ACTIVE in certain places&quot; - or even ANYWHERE?

Why are the COMMUNICATIONS GIANTS of the world not saying &#039;&#039;Oh yes, we see different transmission and reception characteristics relative to certain signals, of certain strengths, at certain times/places due to the lens changing the atmosphere&#039;s ELECTROMAGNETIC RESPONSE characteristics?

Why are the COMMUNICATIONS AMATEURS who for YEARS have made use of the atmosphere&#039;s ability to reflect electromagnetic signaling and allow them to speak past, direct line-of-sight around the curvature of the globe - never NOT EVER noting that THEY are noticing that in certain places, at certain times, their communications ability using this method are being enhanced/degraded, EITHER?

Why are NONE of the organizations in CLIMATE/METEOROLOGY able to find ANY INDICATOR WHATEVER of CONTINENT SIZED HEAT DIFFERENTIALS when the MAGICAL MYTHICAL LENS is ACTIVE?


With ALL OF THESE PEOPLE FERVENTLY TRYING TO MEASURE ENOUGH HEAT TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF CONTINENTS, EXPLAIN HERE, T.O.D.A.Y.  WHY YOU CAN NOT SHOW ANY EVIDENCE OF YOUR MAGICAL LENS that CAN HIDE ALL EVIDENCE OF ITSELF, FUNCTIONING AS SUCH

AND, ALL OF THE HEAT YOU CLAIM IT IS REFLECTING BACK INTO THE ATMOSPHERE?

Go ahead and address one sensing science at a time: 


gas chemistry
gas ionization
dust ionization
physical layering
optical anomalies
moisture uptake/release
THERMAL EVIDENCE

Go ahead and start now. We&#039;ll wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGWphiles don&#8217;t talk to you about the fact that there&#8217;s not only no giant, earth-parbroiling lens, but that every scientific organization on earth that can point/put a sensing device in the air, </p>
<p>and all of them working together,</p>
<p>haven&#8217;t been able to produce any: mark this: A.N.Y.  evidence of the massive quantities of heat falsely alleged to have magically gotten from the inner curve, of the face of this GIANT, EARTH ENCIRCLING LENS to &#8211; ANY where. </p>
<p>Their pedantic refusal to face the fact, that the entire combined Meteorological, Aerospace, Military Research, Communications and Research, Astronomical,(legendary for the sensitivity of their extremely powerful optics, to atmospheric anomalies) </p>
<p>as well as, the combined efforts of all the UNIVERSITY and amateurs in every single science known to man kind:</p>
<p>can&#8217;t find A.N.Y. of the H.E.A.T. </p>
<p>What AGW pseudoscientists want you to believe is simple, and quite concise. There&#8217;s no mystery to it, and it&#8217;s summed up with ease:</p>
<p>the earth is surrounded by a layer of gases that due to their molecular arrangement, act as interceptors of heat, of a certain wavelength: the infra-red heat coming off a rock or a parking lot, a wood burning stove. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tuned lens. Sunglasses let visible light through, blocks ultra-violet; AGW myth-lens allows visible light out, blocks a little of the infra red.</p>
<p>The problem with this MAMMOTH lens, is that WITH THE ENTIRE SENSING CAPACITY of ALL MANKIND, for more than TEN YEARS, </p>
<p>N O B O D Y<br />
but<br />
N O B O D Y</p>
<p>can find ANY EVIDENCE there is a GIANT LENS. It&#8217;s just 26 miles away people: radiating downward, SO MUCH HEAT, that it is INTERMITTANTLY REFLECTING ENOUGH, TO WARM ENTIRE CONTINENTAL SIZED AREAS.</p>
<p>And N O B O D Y can find</p>
<p>IONIZED DUST along the FACE of the lens<br />
HEAT created LAYERING around the FACE of the lens<br />
AIR MOVEMENTS around the FACE of the lens<br />
OPTICAL ANOMALIES around the FACE of the lens<br />
CHEMICAL CHANGES around the FACE of the lens<br />
ELECTROMAGNETIC SIGNAL TRANSMISSION CHARACTERISTICS ANOMALIES around the FACE of the lens.</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t even BEGUN to EXPLAIN WHY FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, EVERY SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION ON EARTH, &#8211; MANY OF THEM WORKING TOGETHER COMBINING THEIR RESOURCES: </p>
<p>can find ANY &#8211; ANY of the HEAT they claim is enough to heat CONTINENTS &#8211; </p>
<p>THEY CLAIM they have a MAGIC LENS, that can not only hide ALL EVIDENCE IT EXISTS from us, but that it can hide ALL THE CONTINENTAL SIZED HEAT ANOMALIES IT HAS BEEN CREATING FOR YEARS.</p>
<p>THIS is I.M.P.O.S.S.I.B.E. UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN HOW NOT IN ONE SCIENCE: BUT IN EVERY SINGLE SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINE EVER DEVISED BY MANKIND ALL WORKING TOGETHER<br />
 WITH THE MOST SOPHISTICATED AGGREGATION OF DETECTION/SENSING HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, AND BRAIN POWER EVER COMBINED,</p>
<p> CAN&#8217;T FIND AN ENORMOUS, GLOBAL LENS, THAT IS HEATING UP CONTINENT-SIZED REGIONS OF THE EARTH&#8217;S ATMOSPHERE.</p>
<p>This is a SIMPLE QUESTION: IS THERE A GIANT, GLOBALLY ENCIRCLING LIGHTLY REFLECTIVE LAYER, STOPPING, AND TURNING BACK, ENOUGH HEAT TO CHANGE THE TEMPERATURES OF REGIONS THE SIZE OF CONTINENTS?</p>
<p>IF THERE IS, WHY CAN ALL OF THE SENSING EQUIPMENT MANKIND CAN DESPERATELY, FERVENTLY PUT TOGETHER, NOT FIND, ONE SINGLE INDICATOR of it A.N.Y.W.H.E.R.E.?</p>
<p>Especially in the tropics where the sun comes in MOST DIRECTLY and the atmosphere is by DEFAULT, THICKEST, INCLUDING THE AREA ABOVE IT, COMPRISING THE MAGIC MYTHICAL LENS.</p>
<p>Because according to the laws of THERMODYNAMICS pertaining to ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION it CAN NOT EXIST or WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND EVIDENCE OF IT BEING IN ACTION.</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S what you need to show.</p>
<p>WHY YOU HAVE NO ELECTROMAGNETIC SIGNATURE DETECTABLE BY ANY MEANS KNOWN.</p>
<p>Why are the ASTRONOMY FIELD not saying &#8221;Oh yes we&#8217;re familiar with atmospheric diffraction, our instruments are SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO HEAT CREATED TURBULENCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE WE BUILT HUBBLE and put it OUTSIDE THE ATMOSPHERE and WE CAN SEE CLEARLY, THE OPTICAL INTERFERENCE OF THE GIANT LENS&#8217;S DIFFERENT REFRACTIVE INDEX when IT&#8217;S ACTIVE in certain places&#8221; &#8211; or even ANYWHERE?</p>
<p>Why are the COMMUNICATIONS GIANTS of the world not saying &#8221;Oh yes, we see different transmission and reception characteristics relative to certain signals, of certain strengths, at certain times/places due to the lens changing the atmosphere&#8217;s ELECTROMAGNETIC RESPONSE characteristics?</p>
<p>Why are the COMMUNICATIONS AMATEURS who for YEARS have made use of the atmosphere&#8217;s ability to reflect electromagnetic signaling and allow them to speak past, direct line-of-sight around the curvature of the globe &#8211; never NOT EVER noting that THEY are noticing that in certain places, at certain times, their communications ability using this method are being enhanced/degraded, EITHER?</p>
<p>Why are NONE of the organizations in CLIMATE/METEOROLOGY able to find ANY INDICATOR WHATEVER of CONTINENT SIZED HEAT DIFFERENTIALS when the MAGICAL MYTHICAL LENS is ACTIVE?</p>
<p>With ALL OF THESE PEOPLE FERVENTLY TRYING TO MEASURE ENOUGH HEAT TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF CONTINENTS, EXPLAIN HERE, T.O.D.A.Y.  WHY YOU CAN NOT SHOW ANY EVIDENCE OF YOUR MAGICAL LENS that CAN HIDE ALL EVIDENCE OF ITSELF, FUNCTIONING AS SUCH</p>
<p>AND, ALL OF THE HEAT YOU CLAIM IT IS REFLECTING BACK INTO THE ATMOSPHERE?</p>
<p>Go ahead and address one sensing science at a time: </p>
<p>gas chemistry<br />
gas ionization<br />
dust ionization<br />
physical layering<br />
optical anomalies<br />
moisture uptake/release<br />
THERMAL EVIDENCE</p>
<p>Go ahead and start now. We&#8217;ll wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Moonbin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey im only 15 but i have been doing a geography assignment on this and i have come to
the conclusion of climate change is most likley not anthropacentric (excuse the spelling if its wrong)one of the reasons is that in truth we only contribute to 0.28% of all CO2 and according to my research i find that this year is not actually the &quot;hottest ever recorded&quot; and the earth hasnt warmed over the past 8 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey im only 15 but i have been doing a geography assignment on this and i have come to<br />
the conclusion of climate change is most likley not anthropacentric (excuse the spelling if its wrong)one of the reasons is that in truth we only contribute to 0.28% of all CO2 and according to my research i find that this year is not actually the &#8220;hottest ever recorded&#8221; and the earth hasnt warmed over the past 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
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		<description>Richard s Courtney wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;However, it can be said without any fear of reasonable dispute that the warming which occurred from 1970 to 1998 ceased in 1998.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I dispute that.

What you are looking at is the 1998 El Nino, not a cessation of a warming trend.

The 00s are 0.19°C warmer so far than the 90s. The current warming is stronger than the 1970 to 2009 mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard s Courtney wrote:<br />
<blockquote>However, it can be said without any fear of reasonable dispute that the warming which occurred from 1970 to 1998 ceased in 1998.</p></blockquote>
<p>I dispute that.</p>
<p>What you are looking at is the 1998 El Nino, not a cessation of a warming trend.</p>
<p>The 00s are 0.19°C warmer so far than the 90s. The current warming is stronger than the 1970 to 2009 mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard s Courtney wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Is AGW observed in the data?
No, there is no indication of it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How did you look for the AGW signal in the data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard s Courtney wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is AGW observed in the data?<br />
No, there is no indication of it.</p></blockquote>
<p>How did you look for the AGW signal in the data?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard s Courtney wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;The ~900 year oscillation is apparent in that there was the Roman Warm Period (RWP), then the Dark Age Cool Period (DACP), then the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), then the Little Ice Age (LIA), and then present warm period (PWP). It seems that the PWP has yet to reach the peak of temperature that existed in the RWP and the MWP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whose temperature reconstruction are you using?

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/images/ipcc_6_1_large.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ones that I am aware of&lt;/a&gt; have the current temperature half a degree at least above anything that could be called &quot;medieval&quot;, and probably about 0.2 or 0.3°C above anything in the last 120,000 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard s Courtney wrote:<br />
<blockquote>The ~900 year oscillation is apparent in that there was the Roman Warm Period (RWP), then the Dark Age Cool Period (DACP), then the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), then the Little Ice Age (LIA), and then present warm period (PWP). It seems that the PWP has yet to reach the peak of temperature that existed in the RWP and the MWP.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whose temperature reconstruction are you using?</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/images/ipcc_6_1_large.jpg" rel="nofollow">ones that I am aware of</a> have the current temperature half a degree at least above anything that could be called &#8220;medieval&#8221;, and probably about 0.2 or 0.3°C above anything in the last 120,000 years.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Richard s Courtney</dc:creator>
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		<description>ThinkingBeing:

Let me begin by agreeing with you.

You say:
“You absolutely can NOT choose periods with high starting points and low ending points and then draw a line between the two and call it a trend.”

Absolutely right, but the reason is that a straight line fit is not an appropriate way to assess cyclical data.  For example, you will almost always get an apparent trend if you join any two points on a sine wave with a straight line.

And climate varies with a variety of fluctuations.  Some of these fluctuations are known effects (i.e. PDO, NAO, etc.) but others are merely observed to be apparently cyclical fluctuations.  One of these cyclical fluctuations is observed to have wavelength of ~900 years and another is observed to have a wavelength of ~60 years.

The ~900 year oscillation is apparent in that there was the Roman Warm Period (RWP), then the Dark Age Cool Period (DACP), then the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), then the Little Ice Age (LIA), and then present warm period (PWP).  It seems that the PWP has yet to reach the peak of temperature that existed in the RWP and the MWP.

The ~60 year oscillation is apparent in that it seems global temperature fell from ~1880 to ~1910, then rose to ~1940, then fell to ~1970, the rose to 1998, and has fallen since.

It seems that the ~60 year oscillation is linked to the PDO, but there is no clear relationship of the ~900 year oscillation to a known effect.  Simply, we have the observation that these climate cycles exist but the science of their cause is not settled:  the cause is certainly not atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration (e.g.   recovery from the LIA began long before the industrial revolution).

So, is there a trend?  
Well, there is not a linear trend because the global temperature varies in cycles.

Is AGW observed in the data?  
No, there is no indication of it.

Importantly, is the global temperature warming or cooling?  
Neither, the warming from the LIA is being negated by the present cooling phase of the ~60 year cycle as it was from 1880 to 1910 and from 1940 to 1970.

And does the data indicate that warming will resume? 
No, the history of climate change over recent millennia suggests that warming or cooling may occur when the ~60 year cycle reaches its warming phase (around 2030) because the peak of the PWP may or may not have been reached by then.

However, it can be said without any fear of reasonable dispute that the warming which occurred from 1970 to 1998 ceased in 1998.

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ThinkingBeing:</p>
<p>Let me begin by agreeing with you.</p>
<p>You say:<br />
“You absolutely can NOT choose periods with high starting points and low ending points and then draw a line between the two and call it a trend.”</p>
<p>Absolutely right, but the reason is that a straight line fit is not an appropriate way to assess cyclical data.  For example, you will almost always get an apparent trend if you join any two points on a sine wave with a straight line.</p>
<p>And climate varies with a variety of fluctuations.  Some of these fluctuations are known effects (i.e. PDO, NAO, etc.) but others are merely observed to be apparently cyclical fluctuations.  One of these cyclical fluctuations is observed to have wavelength of ~900 years and another is observed to have a wavelength of ~60 years.</p>
<p>The ~900 year oscillation is apparent in that there was the Roman Warm Period (RWP), then the Dark Age Cool Period (DACP), then the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), then the Little Ice Age (LIA), and then present warm period (PWP).  It seems that the PWP has yet to reach the peak of temperature that existed in the RWP and the MWP.</p>
<p>The ~60 year oscillation is apparent in that it seems global temperature fell from ~1880 to ~1910, then rose to ~1940, then fell to ~1970, the rose to 1998, and has fallen since.</p>
<p>It seems that the ~60 year oscillation is linked to the PDO, but there is no clear relationship of the ~900 year oscillation to a known effect.  Simply, we have the observation that these climate cycles exist but the science of their cause is not settled:  the cause is certainly not atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration (e.g.   recovery from the LIA began long before the industrial revolution).</p>
<p>So, is there a trend?<br />
Well, there is not a linear trend because the global temperature varies in cycles.</p>
<p>Is AGW observed in the data?<br />
No, there is no indication of it.</p>
<p>Importantly, is the global temperature warming or cooling?<br />
Neither, the warming from the LIA is being negated by the present cooling phase of the ~60 year cycle as it was from 1880 to 1910 and from 1940 to 1970.</p>
<p>And does the data indicate that warming will resume?<br />
No, the history of climate change over recent millennia suggests that warming or cooling may occur when the ~60 year cycle reaches its warming phase (around 2030) because the peak of the PWP may or may not have been reached by then.</p>
<p>However, it can be said without any fear of reasonable dispute that the warming which occurred from 1970 to 1998 ceased in 1998.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;ThinkingBeing (13th): More lines on paper given up as trends that are offered as proof! Great stuff - NOT. So you claim to have proven it simply due to a correlation? A triumph in cause-and-effect science that only  a child might swallow. Next it will be: it rained on Tuesday for the last 2 months, its raining now..so it must be tuesday!.  ha, simply laughable. If so, why is the slope the same as the previous two 1900&#039;s warming trends (pre- industrial CO2?) As for comment(12th): Try doing some research on some 3300 Argo buoys - depths over 700m,some to 3000m ie. not just surface stuff. You might find here are observations ( not computer models) showing a lack of warming of the oceans since 2003, ore reading Syun-Ichi Akasofu&#039;s research on alternative cause-effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;ThinkingBeing (13th): More lines on paper given up as trends that are offered as proof! Great stuff &#8211; NOT. So you claim to have proven it simply due to a correlation? A triumph in cause-and-effect science that only  a child might swallow. Next it will be: it rained on Tuesday for the last 2 months, its raining now..so it must be tuesday!.  ha, simply laughable. If so, why is the slope the same as the previous two 1900&#8242;s warming trends (pre- industrial CO2?) As for comment(12th): Try doing some research on some 3300 Argo buoys &#8211; depths over 700m,some to 3000m ie. not just surface stuff. You might find here are observations ( not computer models) showing a lack of warming of the oceans since 2003, ore reading Syun-Ichi Akasofu&#8217;s research on alternative cause-effects.</p>
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