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		<title>By: Don Gaddes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Gaddes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The credibility of the Bureau of Meteorology and their now fifty year advocacy of an unexplained,(non-existent?) &#039;El Nino&#039;,as &#039;reason for everything&#039; is well debunked in the publication &#039;Tomorrow&#039;s Weather&#039; Alex S. Gaddes,1990. This book has now been updated and republished, and is available as a free pdf from dongaddes93@gmail.com It explains the real causes of climate/weather changes on Earth as being of Solar/Astronomical/Rotational/ Gravitational in nature and provides an extremely accurate predictive &#039;tool&#039;, especially for &#039;Dry Cycles&#039;. The conclusion reached is that of a colder, drier planet for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The credibility of the Bureau of Meteorology and their now fifty year advocacy of an unexplained,(non-existent?) &#8216;El Nino&#8217;,as &#8216;reason for everything&#8217; is well debunked in the publication &#8216;Tomorrow&#8217;s Weather&#8217; Alex S. Gaddes,1990. This book has now been updated and republished, and is available as a free pdf from <a href="mailto:dongaddes93@gmail.com">dongaddes93@gmail.com</a> It explains the real causes of climate/weather changes on Earth as being of Solar/Astronomical/Rotational/ Gravitational in nature and provides an extremely accurate predictive &#8216;tool&#8217;, especially for &#8216;Dry Cycles&#8217;. The conclusion reached is that of a colder, drier planet for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Letter from Steve Fielding &#171; TWAWKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letter from Steve Fielding &#171; TWAWKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Previous calls for Royal Commission here [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Previous calls for Royal Commission here [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mattb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian #23 I think you will find concerns of over population are harboured by those on the left and right.  I think it is simply NIMBYism... wanting others to not live so that they can maintain their precious living standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian #23 I think you will find concerns of over population are harboured by those on the left and right.  I think it is simply NIMBYism&#8230; wanting others to not live so that they can maintain their precious living standards.</p>
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		<title>By: wilbert robichaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilbert robichaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alfred...  Wow!  3 Myths in one sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alfred&#8230;  Wow!  3 Myths in one sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agreee on the point Mr. Tel has mentioned. It is not only green house gas. It is the over population and over consumption which generates Green house gases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agreee on the point Mr. Tel has mentioned. It is not only green house gas. It is the over population and over consumption which generates Green house gases.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Kit Littler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-Kit Littler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian, #23:  &quot;What do your readers think about skeptic advocates augmenting their case by saying that the world’s real problem is not CO2, it is over population and over consumption?&quot;

Well, this reader and skeptic would think that such advocates would be doing nothing more than promoting another lie, namely that overpopulation is a problem.  Au contraire, in the not too distant future DECLINING and AGEING populations will be the major crisis facing humanity.  I didn&#039;t pick this out of a hat, it comes straight from the statistics of the hallowed United Nations.

Check it out, I haven&#039;t got time to google it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, #23:  &#8220;What do your readers think about skeptic advocates augmenting their case by saying that the world’s real problem is not CO2, it is over population and over consumption?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, this reader and skeptic would think that such advocates would be doing nothing more than promoting another lie, namely that overpopulation is a problem.  Au contraire, in the not too distant future DECLINING and AGEING populations will be the major crisis facing humanity.  I didn&#8217;t pick this out of a hat, it comes straight from the statistics of the hallowed United Nations.</p>
<p>Check it out, I haven&#8217;t got time to google it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Nova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 08:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,  there is no scientific principle called &lt;em&gt;The Precautionary Principle&lt;/em&gt;. It&#039;s so meaningless -it works in reverse too. We could say we should use the Precautionary Principle to protect the masses from unnecessary damage to economies - especially third world ones where any extra cost in energy will slow or stop them getting access to cheap food and clean water.

Paying more for energy is what this is all about. It will hurt us rich countries a bit, but it will hurt the poor the most. For those on the poverty line, extra energy costs will ensure that some people will die because we divert money from other uses like sanitation/food/medicine to more expensive technologies.

The more useful principle is a cost-benefit analysis. How much will it cost and what benefit will we get? Every billion dollars spent rewarding renewable energy companies, carbon traders, banks, and bureaucrats is a billion dollars not spent curing blindness, protein deficiency or dysentry in children.

How many people are you willing to kill &lt;em&gt;just in case&lt;/em&gt;?

Don&#039;t assume that sceptics are any less concerned than you are about forests, fish and the starving poor. We think a different approach will help them more than harnessing thousands of our best and brightest to fight a foe that doesn&#039;t pose a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,  there is no scientific principle called <em>The Precautionary Principle</em>. It&#8217;s so meaningless -it works in reverse too. We could say we should use the Precautionary Principle to protect the masses from unnecessary damage to economies &#8211; especially third world ones where any extra cost in energy will slow or stop them getting access to cheap food and clean water.</p>
<p>Paying more for energy is what this is all about. It will hurt us rich countries a bit, but it will hurt the poor the most. For those on the poverty line, extra energy costs will ensure that some people will die because we divert money from other uses like sanitation/food/medicine to more expensive technologies.</p>
<p>The more useful principle is a cost-benefit analysis. How much will it cost and what benefit will we get? Every billion dollars spent rewarding renewable energy companies, carbon traders, banks, and bureaucrats is a billion dollars not spent curing blindness, protein deficiency or dysentry in children.</p>
<p>How many people are you willing to kill <em>just in case</em>?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t assume that sceptics are any less concerned than you are about forests, fish and the starving poor. We think a different approach will help them more than harnessing thousands of our best and brightest to fight a foe that doesn&#8217;t pose a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter McKenna said &quot;The chance it may hit them in the hip pocket might change their views somewhat.&quot;
You&#039;re projecting there Peter, &#039;skeptics&#039; own the argument about loss of money/jobs/economy/plasma screens in their efforts so sow fear and postpone the adoption of the precautionary principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter McKenna said &#8220;The chance it may hit them in the hip pocket might change their views somewhat.&#8221;<br />
You&#8217;re projecting there Peter, &#8216;skeptics&#8217; own the argument about loss of money/jobs/economy/plasma screens in their efforts so sow fear and postpone the adoption of the precautionary principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This so called &#039;skepticism&#039; is the real damaging feature in the whole global warming politicisation.

Setting aside the &#039;skeptics&#039; argumentation just for a second: what if AGW is occurring? I hear no precautionary principles, no desire for conservatism, no realisation of the potential devastation wrought by AGW.

The &#039;skeptics&#039; have one dimension only it seems and that is to create a sense of doubt about AGW, much like 911 conspiracy theorists do so in their efforts to augment the social dislocation of many naive people on the sidelines of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This so called &#8216;skepticism&#8217; is the real damaging feature in the whole global warming politicisation.</p>
<p>Setting aside the &#8216;skeptics&#8217; argumentation just for a second: what if AGW is occurring? I hear no precautionary principles, no desire for conservatism, no realisation of the potential devastation wrought by AGW.</p>
<p>The &#8216;skeptics&#8217; have one dimension only it seems and that is to create a sense of doubt about AGW, much like 911 conspiracy theorists do so in their efforts to augment the social dislocation of many naive people on the sidelines of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
What do your readers think about skeptic advocates augmenting their case by saying that the world’s real problem is not CO2, it is over population and over consumption?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This particular skeptic would ask you to define what it means for the world to have a problem. I&#039;ve met people with problems, but as I understand it, the world spins in space, oblivious and uncaring.</description>
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What do your readers think about skeptic advocates augmenting their case by saying that the world’s real problem is not CO2, it is over population and over consumption?
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<p>This particular skeptic would ask you to define what it means for the world to have a problem. I&#8217;ve met people with problems, but as I understand it, the world spins in space, oblivious and uncaring.</p>
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