Comments on: Climate money: Monopoly science http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/ Tackling tribal groupthink Wed, 23 May 2012 08:38:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ray Hibbard http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-138639 Ray Hibbard Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:39:43 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-138639 You've answered your own question John, It's all about the money, control and power. These things are like red meat is to a starving dog for a politician. You’ve answered your own question John, It’s all about the money, control and power. These things are like red meat is to a starving dog for a politician.

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]]> By: John McDougall http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-138539 John McDougall Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:13:28 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-138539 Joanne, From one in the mining industry (retired and currently back working in NW QLD)I am appalled at the BS currently passing as science. These people have not succeeded in establishing any proofs for their hypothesis and yet our government (barge-ass and all) is currently telling the electorate that this is fact, and we have to do something about it. As an engineer and manager in the mining industry I could never make such rubbish stick in a real world business. Why are government people being taken in--unless it is an opportunity to get more money out of the populace. John McDougall Joanne,
From one in the mining industry (retired and currently back working in NW QLD)I am appalled at the BS currently passing as science. These people have not succeeded in establishing any proofs for their hypothesis and yet our government (barge-ass and all) is currently telling the electorate that this is fact, and we have to do something about it. As an engineer and manager in the mining industry I could never make such rubbish stick in a real world business. Why are government people being taken in–unless it is an opportunity to get more money out of the populace.
John McDougall

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]]> By: The Global Warming Establishment Needs More than Cosmetic Fixes - Shikha Dalmia - Uncommon Sense - Forbes http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-86781 The Global Warming Establishment Needs More than Cosmetic Fixes - Shikha Dalmia - Uncommon Sense - Forbes Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:09:38 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-86781 [...] that can leave their academic reputation in ruins. Debunkers get branded as deniers. And as this Australian blogger points out, they get investigated by Desmog, Exxon Secrets, or Sourcewatch, [...] [...] that can leave their academic reputation in ruins. Debunkers get branded as deniers. And as this Australian blogger points out, they get investigated by Desmog, Exxon Secrets, or Sourcewatch, [...]

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]]> By: …..Aaron's EnvironMental Corner….. » Blog Archive » Climate Money: Monopoly Science http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-11827 …..Aaron's EnvironMental Corner….. » Blog Archive » Climate Money: Monopoly Science Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:36:33 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-11827 [...] To read her full look at this along with the numbers and where she got them, go to her article at this link. [...] [...] To read her full look at this along with the numbers and where she got them, go to her article at this link. [...]

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]]> By: BigMIke http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-10561 BigMIke Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:30:06 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-10561 <strong>BigMIke...</strong> I am So Lucky That I found your blog and great articles. I will come to your blog often for finding new great articles from your blog.I am adding your rss feed in my reader Thank you... BigMIke…

I am So Lucky That I found your blog and great articles. I will come to your blog often for finding new great articles from your blog.I am adding your rss feed in my reader Thank you…

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]]> By: ThinkingBeing http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-10414 ThinkingBeing Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:59:33 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-10414 You say that Antonio Speranza "disappeared from the debate" in 1991. Here's a link [ http://www.adgb.df.unibo.it/Members/vlucarini/publications ] to 11 papers he has co-authored since 2004 alone, the most recent in 2007). A little bit of googling finds many more. How does that constitute "disappeared?" A search of http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=index-html finds two papers (on that particular online journal... there are many others) published in 2007 and 2009 by Alfonso Sutera. Clearly these two have remained very active in climate science. Is all of the information on this site this egregiously flat out wrong? You say that Antonio Speranza “disappeared from the debate” in 1991. Here’s a link [ http://www.adgb.df.unibo.it/Members/vlucarini/publications ] to 11 papers he has co-authored since 2004 alone, the most recent in 2007). A little bit of googling finds many more. How does that constitute “disappeared?”

A search of http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=index-html finds two papers (on that particular online journal… there are many others) published in 2007 and 2009 by Alfonso Sutera.

Clearly these two have remained very active in climate science.

Is all of the information on this site this egregiously flat out wrong?

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]]> By: VG http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-10168 VG Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:28:00 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-10168 Anne: Maybe he was testing the waters to gauge sentiment over the issue Anne: Maybe he was testing the waters to gauge sentiment over the issue

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]]> By: JWC http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-10149 JWC Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:19:28 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-10149 @Tel: You're extending the analogy too far. Climate does kill people and we do spend money on preventing that. Climate is a pretty big umbrella though. Heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes and so on. The difference is that things like heat waves are proven to kill people because they have done so already. AGW is totally different, we're putting billions into a preventing a thing which hasn't harmed anyone and hasn't been proven satisfactorily that it ever will. @Tel: You’re extending the analogy too far. Climate does kill people and we do spend money on preventing that. Climate is a pretty big umbrella though. Heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes and so on.

The difference is that things like heat waves are proven to kill people because they have done so already. AGW is totally different, we’re putting billions into a preventing a thing which hasn’t harmed anyone and hasn’t been proven satisfactorily that it ever will.

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]]> By: Anne-Kit Littler http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-10143 Anne-Kit Littler Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:02:46 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-10143 VG, as far as I can see the PM's climate blog is now closed for comments. Perhaps there were too many realists posting! ;-) VG, as far as I can see the PM’s climate blog is now closed for comments. Perhaps there were too many realists posting! ;-)

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]]> By: Kendra http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/climate-money/#comment-10142 Kendra Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:00:12 +0000 http://joannenova.com.au/?p=3097#comment-10142 I guess this is a test. I worked very hard last night on a comment to explain to Lionel what I meant. It hasn't shown up, so if this does, then I'll know I have to do it again, altho I'm not sure I want to be seriously depleted and emotionally exhausted two days in a row. At least I will say now, Lionel, what you thought I attributed to you is not at all the case. I guess this is a test. I worked very hard last night on a comment to explain to Lionel what I meant. It hasn’t shown up, so if this does, then I’ll know I have to do it again, altho I’m not sure I want to be seriously depleted and emotionally exhausted two days in a row. At least I will say now, Lionel, what you thought I attributed to you is not at all the case.

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