Yes, I noticed how old the thread is, but I’m relatively new to this site, though I have followed the discussion for much longer elsewhere. It’s hard for me to keep up on many fronts so I am commenting here while reading here.

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Paul @112: Wow, just wow!

I’ve just now read the PDF you referred to…

Holey Mackeral Paul! That was over a year and a half ago!

His arguments are lucid, backed by real data and confirmed by the close agreement of the results from the many natural experiments that he has conducted.

Yeah, real data beats playstation modeling any day. The entire AGW enterprise has gotten so far from science that many papers now claim that model results are empirical data! Susan Soloman recently published a paper concluding that CO2 lifetime in the atmosphere was thousands of years. She came to that conclusion by analyzing many theoretical models. She didn’t bother to consider the 36 actual empirical measurement studies done in the last 50 years, all of which showed lifetimes < 15 years, with a mean of ~7.

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Wow, just wow!

I’ve just now read the PDF you referred to which shows, from real-world measurements and results confirmed by hundreds of scientific papers, that the GCMs overstate the likely warming from a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide by orders of magnitude.

In fact, the most likely result of the doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide, given the various cooling effect that enhanced CO2 has on plant-life, both oceanic and land-based, would be the status-quo, i.e. no increase in surface temperatures at all.

Just the bibliography of papers referred to extends for several pages.

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His arguments are lucid, backed by real data and confirmed by the close agreement of the results from the many natural experiments that he has conducted.

This paper, more than anything else that I have read, reveals the inadequacy of the GCMs that are the only supposed evidence that confirms the AGW hypothesis.

Paul

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It stands to reason then that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere should allow the upper layers to absorb more of it. This means that the energy would have to move up higher still in order to escape into space.

IF it were true then it would also ‘stand to reason’ that a hot spot would form in the upper troposphere. Where is that hot spot Jeremy?

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Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.
John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing….This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run. Economist editorial

We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight.
David Foreman, Earth First!

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