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		<title>By: David Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Jo, who would have thought the cat could take such a leap out of the bag as it has these past several weeks?  It&#039;s looking VERY uncool to be a global warming/climate change &quot;believer&quot; among the informed and wary.

I anticipate the semantics of the game are due to change at any time; that is, just as believers changed their cause from &quot;global warming&quot; to &quot;climate change&quot;, I&#039;m sure the cause will become &quot;climate disruption&quot;, which will continue to focus on man&#039;s so-called hibitions on the atmosphere (perhaps less on carbon dioxide), as well as man&#039;s effects on topography and hydrology.  Hansen, Mann, et al, are losing credibility at an alarming rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jo, who would have thought the cat could take such a leap out of the bag as it has these past several weeks?  It&#8217;s looking VERY uncool to be a global warming/climate change &#8220;believer&#8221; among the informed and wary.</p>
<p>I anticipate the semantics of the game are due to change at any time; that is, just as believers changed their cause from &#8220;global warming&#8221; to &#8220;climate change&#8221;, I&#8217;m sure the cause will become &#8220;climate disruption&#8221;, which will continue to focus on man&#8217;s so-called hibitions on the atmosphere (perhaps less on carbon dioxide), as well as man&#8217;s effects on topography and hydrology.  Hansen, Mann, et al, are losing credibility at an alarming rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Nova</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, please explain, who is mad, and who doesn&#039;t understand?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, please explain, who is mad, and who doesn&#8217;t understand?<br />
Jo</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect you don&#039;t understand basic statistics, and what&#039;s more you&#039;re really quiet mad and you don&#039;t realise it. God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect you don&#8217;t understand basic statistics, and what&#8217;s more you&#8217;re really quiet mad and you don&#8217;t realise it. God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Benway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Benway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An update:  It seems we have a footrace ongoing between the increasing numbers of skeptics and the United Nations-Obama Regime.

See our notice of the movie showing here:  http://mooretea.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/movie-date/

Question is, will truth prevail over the political-despotic maneuvers by the UN and Obama plunge America (and by extension UK) into a one-way voyage to international reparations and slavery?

The self-loathing of Al Gore and his fellow useful idiots is mind-boggling. 

Are we prepared to fight to sustain some semblance of freedom ... ?  I surely pray that we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update:  It seems we have a footrace ongoing between the increasing numbers of skeptics and the United Nations-Obama Regime.</p>
<p>See our notice of the movie showing here:  <a href="http://mooretea.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/movie-date/" rel="nofollow">http://mooretea.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/movie-date/</a></p>
<p>Question is, will truth prevail over the political-despotic maneuvers by the UN and Obama plunge America (and by extension UK) into a one-way voyage to international reparations and slavery?</p>
<p>The self-loathing of Al Gore and his fellow useful idiots is mind-boggling. </p>
<p>Are we prepared to fight to sustain some semblance of freedom &#8230; ?  I surely pray that we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuite</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AM NOT MATT B! And frankly, I don&#039;t understand why he is allowed to post here. I have never seen a constructive post from him, and he mockingly claims to be posting unoffensively when all he does is attack people and ideologies, never providing scientific evidence. Only the severely uninformed can innocently say that there is no proof for evolution, it has been predicted, the end results seen, and it has been watched in action! Evolution is simply physics in action, it doesn&#039;t even require biology. Evolution is FACT. Now, what cannot be proven are the various claimed webs of species inter-relatedness, and they cannot be proven until we invent time travel, so have fun with that while other people accept the strong conclusions of genetics that we probably did evolve from prehistoric ape-like primates. Interestingly, global warming can be proven... you wait patiently and measure the temperatures. What can&#039;t be proven is that we had any significant part in it (AGW) because we can&#039;t directly measure the natural climate change without us present to compare it to the climate change with us around. Tree rings? What really caused a tree to grow more in a year, higher temperatures, better water supply, or did the tree next to it fall down, allowing it to receive more light? Ice cores? What made a layer thinner, less snowfall, higher atmospheric temperatures, or a colony of penguins roosting there? How do you prove that entire layers aren&#039;t missing, erasing years off the record? When an enormous crevasse opens up and changes the orientation of the ice around it so that the particular patch of ice now receives more sun than it used to, 1000 years ago, how do we account for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM NOT MATT B! And frankly, I don&#8217;t understand why he is allowed to post here. I have never seen a constructive post from him, and he mockingly claims to be posting unoffensively when all he does is attack people and ideologies, never providing scientific evidence. Only the severely uninformed can innocently say that there is no proof for evolution, it has been predicted, the end results seen, and it has been watched in action! Evolution is simply physics in action, it doesn&#8217;t even require biology. Evolution is FACT. Now, what cannot be proven are the various claimed webs of species inter-relatedness, and they cannot be proven until we invent time travel, so have fun with that while other people accept the strong conclusions of genetics that we probably did evolve from prehistoric ape-like primates. Interestingly, global warming can be proven&#8230; you wait patiently and measure the temperatures. What can&#8217;t be proven is that we had any significant part in it (AGW) because we can&#8217;t directly measure the natural climate change without us present to compare it to the climate change with us around. Tree rings? What really caused a tree to grow more in a year, higher temperatures, better water supply, or did the tree next to it fall down, allowing it to receive more light? Ice cores? What made a layer thinner, less snowfall, higher atmospheric temperatures, or a colony of penguins roosting there? How do you prove that entire layers aren&#8217;t missing, erasing years off the record? When an enormous crevasse opens up and changes the orientation of the ice around it so that the particular patch of ice now receives more sun than it used to, 1000 years ago, how do we account for that?</p>
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		<description>I think the true demiers in this are those who believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming, as illustrated by the Mann Hockey Stick.  Mann et al deny the Medieaval Warm Period.

At a rate or 0.04% of the atmosphere, with mankind&#039;s contribution being something like 1.7% of the total input annually, it takes a real denier to think that mankind can do much about the CO2 entering the atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the true demiers in this are those who believe in Anthropogenic Global Warming, as illustrated by the Mann Hockey Stick.  Mann et al deny the Medieaval Warm Period.</p>
<p>At a rate or 0.04% of the atmosphere, with mankind&#8217;s contribution being something like 1.7% of the total input annually, it takes a real denier to think that mankind can do much about the CO2 entering the atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Kit Littler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-Kit Littler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hot off the press:  Not sure if &#039;chic&#039; is exactly the word here, but as far as a turning point is concerned, there&#039;s good news in Australia&#039;s main, serious national broadsheet newspaper!

In today&#039;s issue of the &quot;Weekend Australian&quot; there are no less than three major, prominently placed articles and one editorial giving voice and support to the sceptical side of the argument:  

A &quot;teaser&quot; on the front page &quot;Antarctic ice is more, not less&quot;;

A major article on p8 &quot;Revealed:  Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking&quot; http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25349683-30417,00.html ; 

Editorial on p16 (back page of main section) &quot;More heat than light: The science on global warming is certainly not settled&quot;  http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348908-16382,00.html; 

1/3 page sympathetic interview with Ian Plimer &quot;The climate of consensus is preciptitating a disaster for science&quot; on p2 of the &quot;Inquirer&quot; section (based on his new book &quot;Heaven and Earth: Global Warming - The Missing Science&quot;  http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348271-30417,00.html; 

3/4 page article on p3 of same section &quot;Change is a cold certainty:  There is no need to panic about Antarctica&quot; http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25347937-30417,00.html ; 

and 1/4 page Christopher Pearson column based on Ian Plimer&#039;s book on back page of &quot;Inquirer&quot; section &quot;Sceptic spells doom for alarmist religion&quot; http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348644-5013596,00.html;

It&#039;s a shame our overseas visitors here have to rely on electronic copies of those articles; you really have to see them in their context to get the importance of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot off the press:  Not sure if &#8216;chic&#8217; is exactly the word here, but as far as a turning point is concerned, there&#8217;s good news in Australia&#8217;s main, serious national broadsheet newspaper!</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s issue of the &#8220;Weekend Australian&#8221; there are no less than three major, prominently placed articles and one editorial giving voice and support to the sceptical side of the argument:  </p>
<p>A &#8220;teaser&#8221; on the front page &#8220;Antarctic ice is more, not less&#8221;;</p>
<p>A major article on p8 &#8220;Revealed:  Antarctic ice growing, not shrinking&#8221; <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25349683-30417,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25349683-30417,00.html</a> ; </p>
<p>Editorial on p16 (back page of main section) &#8220;More heat than light: The science on global warming is certainly not settled&#8221;  <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348908-16382,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348908-16382,00.html</a>; </p>
<p>1/3 page sympathetic interview with Ian Plimer &#8220;The climate of consensus is preciptitating a disaster for science&#8221; on p2 of the &#8220;Inquirer&#8221; section (based on his new book &#8220;Heaven and Earth: Global Warming &#8211; The Missing Science&#8221;  <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348271-30417,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348271-30417,00.html</a>; </p>
<p>3/4 page article on p3 of same section &#8220;Change is a cold certainty:  There is no need to panic about Antarctica&#8221; <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25347937-30417,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25347937-30417,00.html</a> ; </p>
<p>and 1/4 page Christopher Pearson column based on Ian Plimer&#8217;s book on back page of &#8220;Inquirer&#8221; section &#8220;Sceptic spells doom for alarmist religion&#8221; <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348644-5013596,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25348644-5013596,00.html</a>;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame our overseas visitors here have to rely on electronic copies of those articles; you really have to see them in their context to get the importance of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Kit Littler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-Kit Littler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM:  &quot;Maybe Al Gore labelled the problem as AGW - I think of it as increasing pollutants in the atmosphere / biosphere (think salination of soil or depletion of soil nutrients). In any case a verion of the CPRS or AETS is part of the solution.&quot;

With all due respect, you are confusing/conflating several issues here:  Anthropogenic Global Warming is allegedly caused by CO2 from burning of fossil fuels.  If one believes in that premise (I don&#039;t), one might be excused for thinking that a CPRS or an ETS would help alleviate that in some way, although I would contend that even that is debatable.  Pollution, soil salination and depletion of soil nutrients are completely different issues which have nothing to do with releasing CO2 into the atmosphere and causing dangerous warming of same. Consequently, no version of any Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme (don&#039;t get me started on the fallacy of THAT terminology ...) or Emissions Trading Scheme could ever be relevant as a solution.

You&#039;ll get no argument from me re conservation and prudent management (of anything, for that matter, not just energy and the environment, but also finances) The whole AGW &#039;debate&#039; is not about prudent conservation.

Vis a vis &quot;constraining resource use to protect our inheritors&quot;, I don&#039;t really follow your arguments; you seem to contradict yourself in the last few paragraphs. By the way, &quot;the market&quot; is not the only instrument to govern scarcity (or perceived scarcity).  As I said above, the human race has a remarkable, documented historical record of amazing resourcefulness, imagination, discovery and creativity.  As far as I know we have never yet actually run out of a &#039;resource&#039; - we have always moved on to something better before that happened.  After all, according to the late Julian Simon, we are &quot;the ultimate resource&quot;!

Bottom line (this is from Prof. Beckermann again):  &quot;Resources are either finite, or they are not.  If they are, then the only way to ensure that they last forever is to stop using them.  Bringing future economic growth to a halt is not enough.  Levels of consumption need to be reduced to infinitesimal levels if finite resources are to be made to last.  But of course, even the most fanatical proponents of sustainability would hardly go that far and would soon sell a critical pass by confessing that, perhaps, after due reflection, with everyting taken into account, etc., etc., etc., the human race will eventually find ways of coping with the changes that take place in the balance beweeen demand and supply of resources.

In other words, one cannot have it both ways.  Either resources are finite in some relevant sense, in which case even zero growth will fail to save us in the long run, or resources are not really finite in any relevant sense, in which case this argument for slowing down growth collapses.&quot; (&quot;A Poverty of Reason&quot;, p.9)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM:  &#8220;Maybe Al Gore labelled the problem as AGW &#8211; I think of it as increasing pollutants in the atmosphere / biosphere (think salination of soil or depletion of soil nutrients). In any case a verion of the CPRS or AETS is part of the solution.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect, you are confusing/conflating several issues here:  Anthropogenic Global Warming is allegedly caused by CO2 from burning of fossil fuels.  If one believes in that premise (I don&#8217;t), one might be excused for thinking that a CPRS or an ETS would help alleviate that in some way, although I would contend that even that is debatable.  Pollution, soil salination and depletion of soil nutrients are completely different issues which have nothing to do with releasing CO2 into the atmosphere and causing dangerous warming of same. Consequently, no version of any Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme (don&#8217;t get me started on the fallacy of THAT terminology &#8230;) or Emissions Trading Scheme could ever be relevant as a solution.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get no argument from me re conservation and prudent management (of anything, for that matter, not just energy and the environment, but also finances) The whole AGW &#8216;debate&#8217; is not about prudent conservation.</p>
<p>Vis a vis &#8220;constraining resource use to protect our inheritors&#8221;, I don&#8217;t really follow your arguments; you seem to contradict yourself in the last few paragraphs. By the way, &#8220;the market&#8221; is not the only instrument to govern scarcity (or perceived scarcity).  As I said above, the human race has a remarkable, documented historical record of amazing resourcefulness, imagination, discovery and creativity.  As far as I know we have never yet actually run out of a &#8216;resource&#8217; &#8211; we have always moved on to something better before that happened.  After all, according to the late Julian Simon, we are &#8220;the ultimate resource&#8221;!</p>
<p>Bottom line (this is from Prof. Beckermann again):  &#8220;Resources are either finite, or they are not.  If they are, then the only way to ensure that they last forever is to stop using them.  Bringing future economic growth to a halt is not enough.  Levels of consumption need to be reduced to infinitesimal levels if finite resources are to be made to last.  But of course, even the most fanatical proponents of sustainability would hardly go that far and would soon sell a critical pass by confessing that, perhaps, after due reflection, with everyting taken into account, etc., etc., etc., the human race will eventually find ways of coping with the changes that take place in the balance beweeen demand and supply of resources.</p>
<p>In other words, one cannot have it both ways.  Either resources are finite in some relevant sense, in which case even zero growth will fail to save us in the long run, or resources are not really finite in any relevant sense, in which case this argument for slowing down growth collapses.&#8221; (&#8220;A Poverty of Reason&#8221;, p.9)</p>
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