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		<title>By: Julia Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 06:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stargate SG1 was my favorite sci-fi tv series on our cable TV;&quot;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stargate SG1 was my favorite sci-fi tv series on our cable TV;&#8221;-</p>
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		<title>By: &#8230;..Aaron&#39;s EnvironMental Corner&#8230;.. &#187; The Unskeptical Guide to the Skeptics Handbook</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8230;..Aaron&#39;s EnvironMental Corner&#8230;.. &#187; The Unskeptical Guide to the Skeptics Handbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their first effort: “Desmog accidentally vindicates the Skeptics Handbook“. I’ve also debunked Deltoid as well, a post so successful it put this blog on the map. Deltoid had no reply. Cook might be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their first effort: “Desmog accidentally vindicates the Skeptics Handbook“. I’ve also debunked Deltoid as well, a post so successful it put this blog on the map. Deltoid had no reply. Cook might be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie Long</dc:creator>
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		<description>Stargate is probably the best science fiction series after Firefly. Nice visual effects too.;.;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stargate is probably the best science fiction series after Firefly. Nice visual effects too.;.;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free Personal Horoscope 2010 : http://astroloveh.co.cc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free Personal Horoscope 2010 : <a href="http://astroloveh.co.cc" rel="nofollow">http://astroloveh.co.cc</a></p>
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		<title>By: jan gotovalsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan gotovalsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>﻿Your article is very nice. May possibly you please post some inexperienced information about this? sincerely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>﻿Your article is very nice. May possibly you please post some inexperienced information about this? sincerely</p>
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		<title>By: Pol43</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pol43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back then it was legal for a teacher to strike children, and we all towed the line at certain grade levels. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back then it was legal for a teacher to strike children, and we all towed the line at certain grade levels. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Lionell Griffith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionell Griffith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob @ 33:  Papers that estimate climate sensitivity from observations typically provide just that and do not also provide a physical mechanism to achieve that. Therefore whether such estimations are of low or high climate sensitivity they do not provide any means to change the models.

Question: Is reality determined by equations (computer programs) or should the equations (computer programs) be determined by reality?

If the equations are in control, then why are the estimated climate sensitivities from observations different from those found in the models?   It would seem that if the equations are in control, the modelers can have it any way they want and reality must obey.  Yet this is not found to be the case.

Is it not the responsibility of the modelers to conform to reality?  Those who show what reality actually is are not responsible for the errors in the models.  They therefor need not offer corrections for the models.  They need only show the model does not reflect reality and is therefore not a model of reality.  The modelers might continue using their models but, by doing so, they study only their models and not reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob @ 33:  Papers that estimate climate sensitivity from observations typically provide just that and do not also provide a physical mechanism to achieve that. Therefore whether such estimations are of low or high climate sensitivity they do not provide any means to change the models.</p>
<p>Question: Is reality determined by equations (computer programs) or should the equations (computer programs) be determined by reality?</p>
<p>If the equations are in control, then why are the estimated climate sensitivities from observations different from those found in the models?   It would seem that if the equations are in control, the modelers can have it any way they want and reality must obey.  Yet this is not found to be the case.</p>
<p>Is it not the responsibility of the modelers to conform to reality?  Those who show what reality actually is are not responsible for the errors in the models.  They therefor need not offer corrections for the models.  They need only show the model does not reflect reality and is therefore not a model of reality.  The modelers might continue using their models but, by doing so, they study only their models and not reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Loy37</title>
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		<description>The mindset is basically Manichean. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mindset is basically Manichean. ,</p>
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		<description>I suspect it&#039;s either not possible to turn down the feedback in models within the constraints of physics, or that attempts to reduce the feedback have only led to a poorer representation of the climate. Either would explain why such a low sensitivity GCM hasn&#039;t been demonstrated.

Papers that estimate climate sensitivity from observations typically provide just that and do not also provide a physical mechanism to achieve that. Therefore whether such estimations are of low or high climate sensitivity they do not provide any means to change the models.

It would require a groundbreaking discovery in underlying climate physics to change GCM climate sensitivity it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it&#8217;s either not possible to turn down the feedback in models within the constraints of physics, or that attempts to reduce the feedback have only led to a poorer representation of the climate. Either would explain why such a low sensitivity GCM hasn&#8217;t been demonstrated.</p>
<p>Papers that estimate climate sensitivity from observations typically provide just that and do not also provide a physical mechanism to achieve that. Therefore whether such estimations are of low or high climate sensitivity they do not provide any means to change the models.</p>
<p>It would require a groundbreaking discovery in underlying climate physics to change GCM climate sensitivity it seems.</p>
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